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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Julie Bindel physically attacked after meeting

677 replies

MsMcWibble · 06/06/2019 05:39

Seems to have been carried out by well known TRA who has threatened violence before: twitter.com/bindelj/status/1136402563379716096

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BertrandRussell · 07/06/2019 15:45

“When asked to comment, Bindel declined to say whether she had filed a police report against Brennan but told PinkNews: “I despise your woman-hating, anti-lesbian rag, and would rather give Donald Trump a massage than speak to you.”

FloralBunting · 07/06/2019 15:47

YY wrt lots of PMs.

Like, everyone has told me they agree with me. You don't know them, they go to a different website.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 07/06/2019 15:55

Somewhere in the niagra falls area

Thing with the pms...

If datun or floral or littl or anyone says something awesome on a thread tha I completely agree with I’ll either nod along or put it on the thread

If people are not prepared to support you on a thread...they are not people worth knowing

They either dont have the courage of their convictions...or are too dense to even name change and support you

If i was being argued with on a thread and someone pmed me to say that they supported me but wouldnt post on the thread, i wouldnt be best pleased

DanaPhoenix · 07/06/2019 16:13

LangCleg

Mwah thanks babe. Enjoy the weetbix.

ZebrasAreBras · 07/06/2019 16:48

“When asked to comment, Bindel declined to say whether she had filed a police report against Brennan but told PinkNews: “I despise your woman-hating, anti-lesbian rag, and would rather give Donald Trump a massage than speak to you.”

Superb.

RedToothBrush · 07/06/2019 17:00

Fucking hell.

You should see MY in box. Jesus christ it's toe curling. The stuff that has happened out there that hasn't... Well y'know I just can't say...

Competitive inboxes are meaningless; you don't know the contents of anyone else's nor do you know who is sending you a message. It could be a party with a certain amount of conflict of interest. It could be a Russian troll. It could be someone with 89 sock puppet accounts. And anyone GC on this thread could have double, triple or even more PM's saying how much they think what has happened to Julie is appalling, but can't say publicly cos they'll lose their job.

The problem with black propaganda is its nature to be unverifable and you are unable to source it. You do not know if you are being manipulated deliberately.

Even the act of saying 'I have 68847 pms' is black propaganda. Quantity is an important thing in propaganda - particularly inflating numbers to try and distort perceptions of size. (Think Donald Trump and his crowds being bigger than Obamas).

I therefore don't have a lot of time for anyone who pulls this trick. I've been on the Internet far too long, and seen this trick spun a zillion times before.

RedToothBrush · 07/06/2019 17:13

Anyway, I think this story is summed up well as

Creepy stalker fake Cathy Brennan who stole a prominent feminist figure name to effectively harass her, is caught on camera assaulting another prominent feminist figure after hanging around for some time to confront her.

And we are all supposed to go 'aww, poor love has been suffering' and 'didn't the nasty prominent lesbian deserve it for speaking at a debate in Edinburgh about a controversial subject, cos anyone who speaks about something controversial in a public manner is, of course fair game for assault'.

Democracy and liberalism is about plurality of views and encouraging debate to further understanding between various different interest groups. It's not about intimidating them through violent confrontation, coercive control, nor through creepy name or identity stealing.

And ironically I do not have to even refer to mental health or sex of the potential offender here. Just point out abusive antisocial behaviour which is illegal and is being aimed specifically at women and more particularly lesbians.

It's sexist, homophobia and violent. But somehow this is justifiable and 'new feminists' should be supportive of it?

Have a word with yourself.

Bluestitch · 07/06/2019 18:30

mobile.twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1137032591620673537

Love this. Excellent to put the violent threats alongside too.

Bluestitch · 07/06/2019 18:35

Spreading to others with big followings now too. Good posts here.

mobile.twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1137015925104885765

Ereshkigal · 07/06/2019 19:12

I’m finding it very hard to believe ginger is a GC feminist. It really doesn’t remotely seem like a feminist argument that women must speak nicely about violent men.

Me too. Especially as they've successfully derailed the thread with this tone policing nonsense.

Datun · 07/06/2019 19:19

Ooh I do Love Julia Hartley Brewer's take on this.

Ereshkigal · 07/06/2019 19:29

It's one way to derail a thread, innit? Takes the focus off the violent male person and shifts it to us women instead.

Precisely. Sorry just catching up, I know the poster has flounced.

Won't derail it further!

AlwaysComingHome · 07/06/2019 19:31

Love this. Excellent to put the violent threats alongside too.

Somebody nicked my Ross Noble joke!

Ereshkigal · 07/06/2019 19:31

The replies to her tweet by hundreds of average non invested people, well certain people are going to have to break out the smelling salts and have a little sit down.

JackyHolyoake · 07/06/2019 19:35

And, for the record, the so-called phenomenon of "misgendering" has zero meaning in any UK law ..

In current UK law, a GRC cannot erase a transitioner's history:

GRA 2004, Section 9, Explanatory Note 28: "Subsection (2) provides amplification of subsection (1), making clear that the recognition is not retrospective, so the certificate does not rewrite the gender history of the transsexual person, and that the new gender applies for the interpretation of enactments, instruments and documents made before as well as after the issue of a certificate."

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/notes/division/4/9

JackyHolyoake · 07/06/2019 19:49

And note the last bit of that sentence:

"and that the new gender applies for the interpretation of enactments, instruments and documents made before as well as after the issue of a certificate."

This means that the GRC is only relevant insofar as it interacts with current law [enactments], [statutory] instruments and [legal] documents [ie: Birth certificate, Passport, Driving Licence].

This is what is meant when the term "for all purposes" is used in .

It does not give a GRC holder any other permission.

Section 9 ss3 limits the permission granted by a GRC to relationship with existing law only:

Subsection (1) is subject to provision made by this Act or any other enactment or any subordinate legislation.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/9

That is, ownership of a GRC does not give permission to access all or any female only spaces, services or schemes, and this is reinforced in the Exceptions written in to the Equality Act 2010.

Outanabout · 07/06/2019 19:54

I see SF barrelling onto JHB's thread to say JB wasn't attacked. Might have been wiser not to.declare a side in the clusterfuck 🤣

Bluestitch · 07/06/2019 20:03

Who is SF?

Popchyk · 07/06/2019 20:16

Ginger would take one look at those Titania and JHB Twitter threads and have to retire to the fainting couch.

Hundreds of people on there using more than robust language towards the perpetrator.

FloralBunting · 07/06/2019 20:20

Is SF a type for JF - Jane Fae?

CharlieParley · 07/06/2019 20:26

Meghan Murphy was asked about her uncompromising stance at the Glasgow meeting. And she told us that when she first took an interest in and became active on transgender ideology and legislation, she was being kind and polite and respectful, using preferred pronouns and terms. In response, she was called hateful and transphobic, she received rape and death threats and TRAs tried to get her sacked.

So she decided she might as well be blunt and upfront and brutally honest, precisely because the lack of clarity that comes with pussyfooting around the issue hinders understanding and as Barracker so brilliantly said in Pronouns are Rohypnol language changes perception which changes reaction. To our detriment.

That's why Meghan replied to the STV interviewer's question why she couldn't just be kind and use trans-approved language, that she sees no reason to pander to someone else's delusions, especially not when doing so is harmful to us.

It's not how we say it that is the problem. It's the fact that we say it at all. Nothing but complete submission will ever be enough.

The refusal to acquiesce to the demand that we must suppress our own reactions, our feelings of anger and rage, our despair, sorrow and disgust is an act of defiance. Of refusing to make everyone else feel better even if that makes us feel worse. It is one of the most important steps on the road to liberation.

As a PP said above, when I first became aware that TWAW was not a slogan of acceptance and support but intended as a statement of fact, I too occupied the middle ground. Of being nice and kind and respectful because we must be mindful of the feelings of others, mustn't we?

And I was shocked, sometimes upset and even offended at the uncompromising stance of some of the posters on FWR. And then I finally understood that suppressing my own feelings while pandering to those of the people campaigning to dismantle my rights, was just another instance of providing unpaid emotional labour. At a cost to myself that I am no longer willing to pay.

Especially since this middle ground isn't located in the middle. After thousands of years of oppression, we gained a little ground, claimed it for our own, got small enclaves here and there wrested further from the patriarchy. But the middle? We were never allowed to reach the middle.

And since 2004, most of us have been sleepwalking while the patriarchy once again encroached on women's land. We gave up even more ground by being kind and accommodating, by considering the needs of males identifying as trans before our own. We gave up so much ground that we now stand on the precipice of losing our sex-based rights entirely.

I'm not going to kumbaya to that. I'm not going to censor my rage anymore when yet another entitled man decides that his hurt feelings justify violence against a woman. Not even if other women demand that I must occupy the moral high ground by showing restraint and respect to a violent thug because he identifies as trans. That moral high ground is the edge of an abyss. Being here is not in my interest.

Fuck the moral high ground.

Woman is not a feeling in a man's head. Woman is not a costume. We are born, not worn. After everything I've been through for being born female in a male-dominated world, it hurts my feelings when men claim womanhood.

And I am no longer afraid to say that I find it hugely offensive that a member of the oppressor class thinks he can not only identify into the class oppressed by his own but that by doing so he becomes the oppressed and I the oppressor.

Fuck that shit. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. If I lived a million years, I still wouldn't have enough time to type all the fuck yous he deserves.

And that is all he deserves. Not my respect, my compassion, my understanding, my empathy or concern. I reserve that for Julie who was utterly brilliant, who hugely impressed my husband even though she went heavy on the male violence and he knows little about feminist theory. He loved that she said she wants to abolish gender. She gave an impassioned speech, she was nothing but kind on the day and it kills me that she and Rosa walked out there on their own where that bastard, that swine, that entitled arsehole was waiting to ambush her. Proving her right.

Male violence. A scourge on mankind. A curse that may condemn us all in the end. And that worm made himself a part of that curse. Knowingly, willingly, eagerly.

So you can fuck right off with telling us to restrain ourselves when discussing such a disgraceful, disgusting, and hateful twat.

FloralBunting · 07/06/2019 20:43

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

Ereshkigal · 07/06/2019 20:56

Great post, Charlie.

Erythronium · 07/06/2019 20:58

I hope Julie is OK. I worry so much about public feminists who don't toe the trans line. Men are scary and violent, and these feminists' faces are out there. Andrea Dworkin had to have security when she made speeches because what she said angered men so much. We haven't moved on.

Unlike women, men are quite happy to use violence and aggression when they're angry. That's why you can't compare women's anger to men's like Ginger tried to. Angry men are dangerous.

ZebrasAreBras · 07/06/2019 21:11

Unlike women, men are quite happy to use violence and aggression when they're angry. That's why you can't compare women's anger to men's like Ginger tried to. Angry men are dangerous.

Spot on. Thank god for the security guards protecting Julie Bindel.

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