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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A pleasant surprise

538 replies

APleasantSurprise · 01/06/2019 11:15

NC for this as very outing.

I came across a number of Tweets from a user whose profile described him as a serving officer with the Met. This is the complaint I sent yesterday:

Jon Killen, a emergency response officer in the MPS and LGBT+ officer, is issuing Tweets that I consider misogynist. His Twitter account (@LDNResponseCop) clearly identifies him professionally, so he cannot argue that he's only offering personal opinions. I cannot think his social media presence is doing anything good for the Met. It seems highly unprofessional. Certainly I would have less confidence were I involved in an incident and had to deal with Jon Killen than I would in a generic officer. Please look at what he's saying - and the response from many LGBT Twitter users who find his Tweets offensive. The police must be seen to be impartial.

I got a call from an inspector this morning. He'd gone through the officer's Tweets and agreed with me. He said it wasn't a disciplinary matter as there were no personally offensive Tweets but that the Tweets definitely overstepped the bounds of what a serving police officer should be saying on social media. A conversation was in order and he would be talking to the officer soon.

Only a small step, but I was pleased the Met seems to have taken it seriously.

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SophoclesTheFox · 04/06/2019 19:35

Do you even know how your words betray you, Zoe? You’ve dehumanised us by describing us as a pack, a word commonly used for a group of animals.

Also, your dismissal of second wave feminism and mumsnet as 4 chan with prams sits ill with your alleged understanding of internalised misogyny- step one in that is dismissing the experiences of you foremothers, your mother, and everyone else’s mother. how did you miss that bit in your studies?

Zoecb · 04/06/2019 19:37

I came to this thread to check it was real and not a joke. I quickly learned it is most definitely real! Someone genuinely complained about that good news tweet!

Surely it’s a board for mums or it would be called femalesnet?
(To be fair either could conceivably sounds like a porn site for those with a breeding fetish.)

I will stick with my inclusive intersectional feminism thanks, it’s a lot more relevant to me and my communities in today’s world.

Zoecb · 04/06/2019 19:38

Argumentative mobs do have a pack mentality, yes. Very deliberate choice of word.

Justhadathought · 04/06/2019 19:39

Women’s Studies brand of feminism

Yes that's right. Feminism is about the position of women as a class. a class based on their sex. Inter-sectional feminism, by contrast, just sound like a load of dense bollocks. Almost intentionally so.

And feminism has always included all women - whatever their social class, race or religion.

in contrast Inter-sectional feminism seems to identify black women, for example, in very racist ways -as being some kind of sub-group of women, in much argument that people have attempted to introduce here.

I identify with women - regardless of their differences. What unites us all is our position as women in a male dominated society. Biological sex is not a social construct. Gender is.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 04/06/2019 19:39

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/06/2019 19:39

Oh no!

There´s a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall
And the bells in the steeple too
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird
Is popping out to say "cuckoo"
Cuckoo, cuckoo
Regretfully they tell us Cuckoo, cuckoo
But firmly they compel us Cuckoo, cuckoo
To say goodbye
Cuckoo!
To you
So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, good night
I hate to go and leave this pretty sight
So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, adieu
Adieu, adieu, to yieu and yieu and yieu
So long, farewell, au revoir, auf wiedersehen...

Zoecb · 04/06/2019 19:40

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Treefloof · 04/06/2019 19:40

In all honesty trying to justify my womanhood to you comes under the banner of “taking homework assignments from strangers” and my days of writing essays for free (or at great personal expense in the case of being a student) are far behind me I’m afraid
Yeah, no we dobt want an essay, 5 pithy one liners about a woman is?

And it's not your womanhood we are asking about, its jy, its Rachel McK, its Madigan, its especially pips/Philip as hes only a woman part time. Yes explain pips.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 04/06/2019 19:41

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SophoclesTheFox · 04/06/2019 19:42

Before you go, Zoe, these assaults that you mentioned? any more on them?

or are you just parroting that supposed factoid about violent feminists without knowing any actual details?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/06/2019 19:42

And there it is folks. Proof, shoudl you still need it that Our Zoe hasn't read a bloody word we fucking cunts have written all buggering day long!

Zoe hun, sweetie. Any cunt can swear here. It's a swearing twats paradise.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 04/06/2019 19:42

nice swears Zoe, but you've got a long way to go I'm afraid

so about this women are people who eye roll when men do something stupid thing

you cool with including the rapist Karen White in that definition? what prison should Karen have gone to - men's or women's?

Justhadathought · 04/06/2019 19:43

I came to this thread to check it was real and not a joke. I quickly learned it is most definitely real! Someone genuinely complained about that good news tweet!

so you didn't come to learn and be informed then? You came here as a joke; one that you could back to your allies and laugh and get outraged about.

I think if you stuck around you'd actually learn a lot. There are some of the absolute best women here. The most informed; intelligent; educated; experienced. Give it a go. However, more than that, try reading some materials ( plenty of links on here), or some literature.

This is a chat board. A place for people to come together to share information and to organise.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 04/06/2019 19:43

Fucking hell

You can fucking swear on here???

Shit!

Why did no fucker tell me

JackyHolyoake · 04/06/2019 19:43

Argumentative mobs do have a pack mentality, yes. Very deliberate choice of word.

Ooh! Such a giveaway here ... "argumentative mobs" ...

have you ever heard women describe each other as an "argumentative mob"?

8th Rule of Misogyny expressed here, I think, don't you sisters?

OvaHere · 04/06/2019 19:44

TERF NAZI CUNT COCK FUCK FELCH TWAT RUDE RUDE RUDE

Grin

I'm beginning to think you identify as schoolboy.

I suppose we could report you but I'm not sure anyone cares enough.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 04/06/2019 19:45

When does people debating turn into argumentative mob

Is it when they don’t agree?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/06/2019 19:45

Most certainly.

But Our Zoe won't know what you mean. Cos Our Zoe is informed, edumified doncha know!

SophoclesTheFox · 04/06/2019 19:45

wow. it’ll get zapped quicker than a snowball in June, but just for posterity zoe’s flounce is to call us all the names you’d expect and then tell us we’re RUDE RUDE RUDE 😂

Oh zoe. you need to do that three times before you get banned. I can’t stop laughing 😂

misscockerspaniel · 04/06/2019 19:45

Zeocb

You alright hun?

HumberElla · 04/06/2019 19:46

Quick, just one fact before you go poof Zoe? Mic drop moment! Lay a statistic on me!

JackyHolyoake · 04/06/2019 19:47

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SophoclesTheFox · 04/06/2019 19:48

RUDE RUDE RUDE.

I’m so ashamed. Truly, i’ve grown as a person here today.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/06/2019 19:48

We can plea for clemency, can't we. Or simply just not report it!

Please can we keep it?

We needs it!

If we can I promise to stop with the postmodern referencing. I know once you see it it gets annoying, but I luffs it! So a promise to stop really means something Grin

[actually I am not sure I can stop, before someone takes me seriously)

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