A pleasant surprise

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NC for this as very outing.

I came across a number of Tweets from a user whose profile described him as a serving officer with the Met. This is the complaint I sent yesterday:

Jon Killen, a emergency response officer in the MPS and LGBT+ officer, is issuing Tweets that I consider misogynist. His Twitter account (@LDNResponseCop) clearly identifies him professionally, so he cannot argue that he's only offering personal opinions. I cannot think his social media presence is doing anything good for the Met. It seems highly unprofessional. Certainly I would have less confidence were I involved in an incident and had to deal with Jon Killen than I would in a generic officer. Please look at what he's saying - and the response from many LGBT Twitter users who find his Tweets offensive. The police must be seen to be impartial.

I got a call from an inspector this morning. He'd gone through the officer's Tweets and agreed with me. He said it wasn't a disciplinary matter as there were no personally offensive Tweets but that the Tweets definitely overstepped the bounds of what a serving police officer should be saying on social media. A conversation was in order and he would be talking to the officer soon.

Only a small step, but I was pleased the Met seems to have taken it seriously.

Oh god I just popped back in to see where we’d got to and got as far as this.

it’s really unsettling to hear the use of ‘males’ and ‘females’ in their noun form in the kind of syntax I only ever see used by incels :-/

Gahaaahsha!!! I mean hats off to you all for continuing to offer up sense and reason against this.

Women! Stop Using Nouns

Ohhhh dear, my aching sides!

My intersectional feminism centres women, all of us

Woman = adult human female

Transwomen are Male. Fact. There’s nothing wrong with being a transwoman, at all. I’ve always preferred the company of gender non conforming people. But there is no need to deny observable material reality to accommodate them. Many transsexual and transgender people don’t either.

HumberElla right? That comment was particularly

It’s as if the word feminism is acknowledging that women are disproportionately affected by archaic views of gender - fancy that

Not quite true - as by your own admission trans women are also prone to violence from men. Not because they are women, though, but because they are not conforming to masculine gendered expectation, in the eyes of men. Gay men have long been the targets for the violence of other men too.

The weird thing is, so much of the aggressive, forceful stance of TRAs, in pursuit of their objectives, is actually deeply masculine. It does not suggest 'femininity' at all. Trying to force your way in; invade boundaries; and attempt to transfigure language and basic concepts to suit yourself is not something that women have traditionally done, or been at all successful at. Funny that!

My intersectional feminism centres women, all of us.

UK law excludes all males from the definition of woman / women, as I said earlier.

UK law states woman = a female of any age. [Being the female sex means having a "congruence of chromosomes [XX], gonads [ovaries] and genitals [vulva].

[Conversely, being the male sex means having "a congruence of chromosomes [XY], gonads [testes] and genitals [penis].

Thus UK law is explicit, no male is ever a woman and no female is ever a man.

Feminism centres Females ... [the clue is in the name].

Feminism centres Females ... [the clue is in the name].

Let’s say it again.

i’m very keen to hear more detail about the allegations you threw out about gender critical women physically attacking trans women, zoe.

I’ve never heard of this happening, and i think, despite your obvious favouring of the over application of pomo nonsense about the existence of objective facts, that when it comes to accusations of physical violence, we remain resolutely fact based, where facts are “things that actually happened”.

so when did these assaults actually happen, to whom and perpetrated by whom?

Yes I love postmodernism. I doubt you understand it. I've aimed it at you a few times.

Postmodernism is, first and foremost, a critical thing. Its core is revealing the cultural constructions, the social mores we all accept as truth forcing us to look again at the history of many repressed 'others', like women, homosexuals and others who have been colonised. And it is now way past its sell by date. Traduced to Simpson's esque self referencing and all those lovely air quotes!

Can anyone guess what my secondary subject in my degree was?

So if I don't share an eye roll with a woman over a man mansplaining, I am not a woman. Do you realise how you sound?
Also how would I know it was a man?

when you overhear a man say something douchey I didn't know Sally was American!

You know that the word “t*rf” is prohibited under the talk guidelines of the feminist board, yes? you’re starring it out, so I know you know, but you can’t help yourself using it anyway. why is that? why can’t you engage without name calling?

I literally have parts of my degree in a) language and b) feminism’s approach to gender, so I’m good re: my use of these terms, but thanks for your concern

Long before your degree was imagined, there was such a thing as Women's Studies That's where most of us here learned about gender and its repressive, constricting edicts. You are simply taking us back to what we sought to under-mine with all your talk of gender.
Gender is not the same as sex. You don't need to pretend to be the opposite sex in order to express your gender. Just be yourself. Then we could all find peace with you.

I used to teach English, and the word 'literally' is used far too often. It does nothing to add to any sense that what you are talking about is real or has actually happened.

U.K. Law classes transphobia as a hate crime and forbids hateful acts based on someone’s gender identity. Pretty explicit.

Btw I have no idea what some of your acronyms and references mean

Educating yourself and doing some serious research might help you understand the issues as they are being described, then. There seems to be a huge reluctance, however, for TRAS to do so. Meanwhile, most of here have read Judith Butler and understand ( if that is possible) the wilful denseness of Queer Theory. And the clue is in the word 'Theory'.

Ah, second wave, 70s, Women’s Studies brand of feminism. That explains a lot. Greer et al. I find her work dated to the point of cringe although I admire her energy and a large selection of her more empowering viewpoints.

Can you stop saying T*s

Either grow up and type it or figure out some other phrase

Its so precious....

No no no no no! Show me.. show me that law... from a legal source not via some organisations translation...

I thought I'd pop back and see how things are going.

I see the last few pages have been a dance around the inability to define what a woman is without resorting to stereotypes or a circular description.

I always enjoy this particular linguistic dance

Feminist Theory is in the same family, all types of literary theory contain that word. It just means potential lens through which to interpret a text.

the protected characteristic is “gender reassignment”,not “gender identity”. perhaps you ought to read the actual law, as many of here have actually done?

Maybe the rapport is “a difference from men”. But if I go down that road I’ll probably start coming out with things that sound misandrist so had better not.

ah, you mean you might say some things that are sexist? perish the though!