Caroline F and Pride

[Angryresister]

post edited by MNHQ - two petition links deleted

I have a lot of sympathy for Caroline since she was attacked for her gender critical views. However I had a petition in my feed with her name at the top objecting to Disney LGBT Pride. I have objections too to some of the displays of S and M stuff, don't like sex in public etc, but I think she is wrong to include us all in what she objects to. I think there is a problem with Pride being associated with a major children and family brand, but I really hate that lesbians are included in the things not to like category,
I would not take children to these events but I guess one day a year is not a lot to deprive them of the Disney experience....

The Walt Disney brand was once a byword for wholesome family-friendly entertainment.

This weekend Disneyland Paris is holding a Gay Pride parade.

These events are notorious for sexually explicit costumes and displays of lewd behaviour.

Sign here now to stop the indoctrination of young children and keep Disneyland safe for families.

SIGN
Dear......

Warning: Disney parks are no longer family friendly!

Disney is flaunting their new partnership with the “LGBTQ” community as they plan to host their very first gay pride parade this upcoming Saturday, June 1st, at Disneyland Paris. This event is an expansion from a small party they promoted in the park last year and will be the first outright parade celebrating the gay lifestyle.

The growth of gay pride events at Disney is not limited to its Paris location. At Universal Studios Hollywood, in Southern California, Disney is helping to organize the “Pride Is Universal” event that will also take place this Saturday. And, the expansion of “Gay Days,” which are held every August at Walt Disney World in Florida.

Sign here: www.citizengo.org/en-gb/fm/170941-stop-lgbt-indoctrination-disneyland

This is a deceptive move to push the LGBT political agenda and expose children and families to lewd behavior.

Similar parades around the world are notorious for exposing viewers to:

Participants wearing only their underwear or leather bondage gear
Topless dancers
Lewd dancing
People engaging in public sex acts
Semi-nude or completely nude people
Around 157 million people visited Disney parks in 2018. Disney is an empire built on attracting families with children. Gay pride-related events are very public with the potential to become an X-rated peep show. How many of this Saturday’s 430,000 park attendees do you think will be exposed?

I’m sure the LGBT lobby is already counting this as a victory for their dangerous agenda. This is not about promoting love or diversity but the deliberate violation of boundaries and the imposition of Queer Theory and gender ideoelogy.

We cannot sit idle and remain voiceless while gay pride events are targeting family-friendly venues. Join this call to action to stand against Disney’s attempt to indoctrinate our children in an entertainment area that is intended for all audiences.

We only have a short time to act on this call to action.

Sincerely,

Caroline Farrow and the rest of the CitizenGO team

PS It is only a few days until this event takes place. Sign today.

Other woman has a different opinion to you. Shocker.

I saw photos of a recent pride march that included s&m and people being dressed like dogs in leads etc etc.

I would not take my child near that.

That's not sexuality, that's fetishism. Gay, straight, bi, be proud of those, don't force your taste of leather pony outfits and butt plugs on to people.

Frusty...so nothing here to discuss? Really?

"I really hate that lesbians are included in the things not to like category".

They're not. The petition doesn't even mention lesbians.

If you don't agree with the petition, then don't sign it.

LGBT?

I can see this badly backfiring on Disneyland Paris if their customers expect to see a wholesome, if rainbow-flavoured, parade and it turns out to be BDSM, furries & public sex. Capitalism will sort that out. Fear not Caro.

I'm confused. In what way do you feel she is involving "us"?

The petition doesn't mention women, or FWR or Mumsnet. I genuinely don't understand the issue with her setting up a petition for a cause you don't agree with.

Snow White thought 7-Up was a drink until she discovered the Disney Festish Parade.

There are two issues I think.

One is Pride, and Disney. I can see the point that if Pride is what it's become, it's not really appropriate to Disney. Honestly I think some of it isn't appropriate as a public festival at all. We really don't need to validate people's sexual tastes in a festival to make them feel authentic or accepted. There is something dodgy about that whole idea.

The other is that she has a particular view of sexual activity that says it's only meant to happen under certain fairly narrow conditions. I would say this is a much less popular idea, and many people obviously really disagree. But it's not that wild that people don't agree on everything.

The petition specifically objects to the Gay Pride march at Disney venues.

The authors object to the fetish stuff that is often displayed on Pride marches. And the fetish element seems to be taking over a lot of Pride events.

That's it.

Objecting to fetishists (who are often heterosexual) in a family amusement park is not stating that lesbians are something not to like.

And how is it Mumsnet's fault exactly?

citizengo is a Catholic lobby platform, primarily set up to campaign against abortion in South America.

Suspect that other campaigns, such as anti gay rights are also on their agenda.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CitizenGo

Sorry about links I meant to get rid of them.i did not copy them three times, they are there three times..as it was an email I couldn't just link.dont know why it was sent to me. Genuine mistakes made here...apologies all round for incompetence. But the issues around Pride are still there for sure.
I would also contest the so called LGBT community and that we are all part of it.

CF is, in most respects, a classically right wing religious Conservative. She is not socially liberal, progressive or on the same page as most of FWR on most issues.

She has the right to her opinions even when those opinions are unpalatable.

Many who have nothing in common will support her on women's rights and free speech because we perceive the threats to those issues to be urgent.

Of course Caroline has every right to an opinion. I personally find it difficult when I agree with some things and not others...I just wondered how others saw it.

That petition popped up on my Facebook feed today. I clicked through, confused as to its context.
The page that greeted me said "thank you for signing"

I hadn't signed.

So that was a bit worrying.

You could discuss the issue of Pride at Disney OP, but you’ve come on to discuss the actions of another woman individually. Are we policing each other now?

It seems so...

I feel attacked as a lesbian because this petition arrived in my personal email with my name. I am not happy about that. Why can't I say that?

I do think that there is an issue with the way "LGBT community" gets chucked around.

The majority of LGBT individuals would not support the fetish and BDSM angle at Pride, I don't think. But the Pride board and organisers want to include that element, know it is controversial in some quarters, and so they spin any criticism of it as an attack on the "LGBT community" rather than a criticism of their own actions in allowing/promoting public lewdness in a family venue.

Equally, the petition talks about the "LGBTQ community", whereas it is really Pride's specific actions that the petition is objecting to.

Both sides, whether consciously or not, are weaponising "LGBT community" for their own ends.

Why can't I say that?

You can. Unfortunately the relentless regularity with which TRAs post negative (often false) stuff about anyone who is GC means people get cynical (I know, you're a long time poster and have a point with this one).

Pride at Disney does have a slight "Neverland" feel to it...

I don't think it has to. I'm not a fan of commercialised pride but done well it can just be about visability and celebration of gay rights, which should be uncontroversial. I think we are at a point where Stonewall et al politicising pride is actually harming gay rights.