Caroline F and Pride

[Angryresister]

post edited by MNHQ - two petition links deleted

I have a lot of sympathy for Caroline since she was attacked for her gender critical views. However I had a petition in my feed with her name at the top objecting to Disney LGBT Pride. I have objections too to some of the displays of S and M stuff, don't like sex in public etc, but I think she is wrong to include us all in what she objects to. I think there is a problem with Pride being associated with a major children and family brand, but I really hate that lesbians are included in the things not to like category,
I would not take children to these events but I guess one day a year is not a lot to deprive them of the Disney experience....

The Walt Disney brand was once a byword for wholesome family-friendly entertainment.

This weekend Disneyland Paris is holding a Gay Pride parade.

These events are notorious for sexually explicit costumes and displays of lewd behaviour.

Sign here now to stop the indoctrination of young children and keep Disneyland safe for families.

SIGN
Dear......

Warning: Disney parks are no longer family friendly!

Disney is flaunting their new partnership with the “LGBTQ” community as they plan to host their very first gay pride parade this upcoming Saturday, June 1st, at Disneyland Paris. This event is an expansion from a small party they promoted in the park last year and will be the first outright parade celebrating the gay lifestyle.

The growth of gay pride events at Disney is not limited to its Paris location. At Universal Studios Hollywood, in Southern California, Disney is helping to organize the “Pride Is Universal” event that will also take place this Saturday. And, the expansion of “Gay Days,” which are held every August at Walt Disney World in Florida.

Sign here: www.citizengo.org/en-gb/fm/170941-stop-lgbt-indoctrination-disneyland

This is a deceptive move to push the LGBT political agenda and expose children and families to lewd behavior.

Similar parades around the world are notorious for exposing viewers to:

Participants wearing only their underwear or leather bondage gear
Topless dancers
Lewd dancing
People engaging in public sex acts
Semi-nude or completely nude people
Around 157 million people visited Disney parks in 2018. Disney is an empire built on attracting families with children. Gay pride-related events are very public with the potential to become an X-rated peep show. How many of this Saturday’s 430,000 park attendees do you think will be exposed?

I’m sure the LGBT lobby is already counting this as a victory for their dangerous agenda. This is not about promoting love or diversity but the deliberate violation of boundaries and the imposition of Queer Theory and gender ideoelogy.

We cannot sit idle and remain voiceless while gay pride events are targeting family-friendly venues. Join this call to action to stand against Disney’s attempt to indoctrinate our children in an entertainment area that is intended for all audiences.

We only have a short time to act on this call to action.

Sincerely,

Caroline Farrow and the rest of the CitizenGO team

PS It is only a few days until this event takes place. Sign today.

It is homophobic. How can it not be? She's homophobic and anti abortion, both of which aren't pro women stances. I'm surprised so many people are willing to align themselves with her because you happen to agree on one issue - christ I saw a tweet from piers Morgan the other day I agreed with but it doesn't mean we'll be buddies. She's outdoing herself now dragging everyone that isn't hetero and willing to put themselves through a potentially dangerous or unwanted pregnancy.

I'm surprised so many people are willing to align themselves with her because you happen to agree on one issue

Because again, agreeing on one topic means that you are aligning with all her views

I'm surprised so many people are willing to align themselves with her

Nobody is ‘aligning’. You might be incapable of agreeing and then also disagreeing with the same people, but plenty of us reject tribalism and thank goodness for that. If you only ever work with or interact with people with whom you 100% agree with on every single issue, you will be very lonely and very ineffective. I reject the politics of men which sees people painted as good or bad depending on which side of the fence they sit on. Just grow up.

I'm surprised so many people are willing to align themselves with her because you happen to agree on one issue

Has anyone really agreed with her? I know a few people expressed reservations about Pride at disney, but I think that was more about the fairly adult nature of many Pride festivals.

christ I saw a tweet from piers Morgan the other day I agreed with but it doesn't mean we'll be buddies.

I that not the same thing the most people are saying? That we can agree on one issue and not others.

I'm surprised so many people are willing to align themselves with her because you happen to agree on one issue

Indeed. Obviously the idea that people are supposed to agree on everything is nonsense. However, lining up with a homophobe when one of your supposed main aims is to protect lesbians and gays seems a bit problematic.

Even though their homophobic and you're supposed to be protecting gays and lesbians? Sounds a bit like working with a racist when part of your campaign is supposed to be protecting people from racism.

For those posters complaining about CF getting support on here when she was being harassed you only needed to look at the flyinglawyer and harrop tweets to conclude she was coming in for an excessive level of harassment, they were vile bullies.

I don't see a lot of people on here supporting her Disney petition, nevertheless a lot of other people are signing it which should give an indication of how the overt sexualisation of Pride primarily by TW is giving ammunition to those who don't support LGB.

The T is not helping LGB people at all,many L and B women have realised that but as always it will need A majority of G men to start realising before they'll start distancing themselves

My absolute priority is protecting the existing rights of women and girls and to continue to fight for our liberation. The good thing about not shutting out people that don’t agree with you on every damn thing, is that you can share your views on things you disagree on and they can hear perspectives different to what they usually hear.

I think it’s really in poor taste to continue to call Caro a homophobe on this thread when you know she is a member here.

How am I breaking talk guidelines?!

"Feminists have historically worked with others of all religious and political affiliations on single issues, for example campaigns against pornography and prostitution. This isn't new. I don't know why suddenly it's bad to work on issues with others who share a perspective on that issue."

This, with bells on. Feminists don't have - and have never had - the luxury of purity, because we are about practical change to make the world liveable for women and girls. If we want to make practical change to benefit females as a matter of urgency, we have to act strategically.

Coalescing over a single issue is not the same as forming a lasting alliance. Sharing a forum to air views isn't the same as adopting your interlocutor's views. Isn't this really basic stuff?

Radical feminists - the Real Deal - have always been independent of both Left and Right. We took what we needed from leftist philosophers, then ran away and built our own theories. We don't need either of them. Really. They have to listen to and learn from us.

If I had a gif of that venn diagram which shows how the issues of core importance to radical feminists overlap with the interests of other groups, albeit for completely different reasons, I'd post it now...

CF is a loud and unrepentant GC presence (rare), plus a member of the sex class which loses rights where queer ideology is imposed, and I would far prefer to amplify her voice regarding women's sex-based rights than disown or trash her because her other views don't align with most feminists'.

IMO feminism is something you do, not something you are. It's not an identity. It's an analytic lens, and a political position, a movable feast. This should free us to 'do' feminism while being entitled to think critically, and break from the herd whenever necessary. A strength our current opponents lack (TRActivitsm is all about the dogma, exiling and punishing heretics).

Can we attempt not to replicate what Jo Freeman described - www.jofreeman.com/joreen/trashing.htm Attack the ideas, not the woman. Right now, women's reproductive rights are under attack in N. Ireland and the USA (for starters...not wishing to forget the rest of the world).

Nobody is politically coherent, because we aren't robots. That CF can simultaneously hold her GC views while also believing women shouldn't have reproductive sovereignty is disappointing, and irrational, but one of those things. She's a patchwork of upbringing and personality as much as the rest of us.

Any woman wiling to stick her head over the parapet on Self-ID has my admiration, because the personal cost is substantial. I suppose, for journalists, there are limited benefits too, but on balance I would applaud more GC voices in the media, not fewer.

Lack of pragmatism and forward-thinking. Isn't that what has lead the modern left to this impasse? (not saying it shouldn't be discussed BTW)

Stating that marriage is a child-centric institution and that children have a right to be brought up by their biological parents, where at all possible
does discriminate - she isn't saying ONE biological parent is she?

Delurking to say that CF seems to be paid by Citizen Go. promoting that was probably part of the job. who here would promote anti gay rhetoric for cash? Cf is a homophobe so she is not compromised by doing so.

If you support someone who is actively trying to hurt the gay community then you’re “aligning” with them.

CF is 100% homophobic. She is very against gay marriage and does not believe gay couples should be able to have or adopt children. Yes, yes, it may be based on religion but it’s still homophobic because she doesn’t think gay relationships are as good as heterosexual ones. I think she has also written for that vile site Conservative Woman.

I don’t like anyone being harassed in the way CF has, but it’s disingenuous to suggest that this petition is not largely based on CF’s views on gay relationships.

I'm very uncomfortable with the tone of some of the posters. Caroline has been harassed relentlessly by TRAs, I get the feeling some of the posters here may not bevregular posters and trying to manipulate us into being critical.

I don't have to share her religious beliefs to absolutely defend her right to hold and voice them. (And as a slightly lapsed Catholic I find the trans appropriation of the word soul to describe their views on gender problematic so I can only imagine how that goes down with someone of a greater faith)

After the way she's been treated by trans activists I'm not surprised she's aligned herself with a conservative Christian group who can provide her greater support and protection. I'm glad the bullies haven't been able to silence her.

She hasn’t ‘aligned herself’ with a right wing religious group- she has always been right wing and religious.

and does not believe gay couples should be able to have or adopt children

That’s not true. I’ve seen her talk about it here and I’m certain that is not her position.

Maybe her view has changed then. But she doesn’t want same sex couples to have the same rights to marry as straight couples. That is homophobic, even if her belief is based on the bible.

www.google.com/amp/s/carolinefarrow.com/2011/01/05/homophobic-persecution/amp/

This was her belief re gay adoption. I am pleased that she has re-considered it

Would love to know how stating that if someone doesn't want to be called a homophobe they shouldn't work for a homophobic organisation is breaking the talk guidelines.

I think there are very few on here who support her view on this but the lack of condemnation of her view and the very soft well we don't agree on everything she says approach smacks of people scared to call out homophobic views from people incase it hurts there overall goals. As everyone says it's ok not to agree with everything and to call out things for what they are in this case someone with homophobic views who works for a homophobic organisation. what ever you feel about the other stuff this is still true

Bespin your post is well put and thought provoking.

I'm against homophobia but for personal religious freedom. Which can be in conflict.

However i've no wish to cause someone who has endured a lot of harassment further distress.