Caroline F and Pride

[Angryresister]

post edited by MNHQ - two petition links deleted

I have a lot of sympathy for Caroline since she was attacked for her gender critical views. However I had a petition in my feed with her name at the top objecting to Disney LGBT Pride. I have objections too to some of the displays of S and M stuff, don't like sex in public etc, but I think she is wrong to include us all in what she objects to. I think there is a problem with Pride being associated with a major children and family brand, but I really hate that lesbians are included in the things not to like category,
I would not take children to these events but I guess one day a year is not a lot to deprive them of the Disney experience....

The Walt Disney brand was once a byword for wholesome family-friendly entertainment.

This weekend Disneyland Paris is holding a Gay Pride parade.

These events are notorious for sexually explicit costumes and displays of lewd behaviour.

Sign here now to stop the indoctrination of young children and keep Disneyland safe for families.

SIGN
Dear......

Warning: Disney parks are no longer family friendly!

Disney is flaunting their new partnership with the “LGBTQ” community as they plan to host their very first gay pride parade this upcoming Saturday, June 1st, at Disneyland Paris. This event is an expansion from a small party they promoted in the park last year and will be the first outright parade celebrating the gay lifestyle.

The growth of gay pride events at Disney is not limited to its Paris location. At Universal Studios Hollywood, in Southern California, Disney is helping to organize the “Pride Is Universal” event that will also take place this Saturday. And, the expansion of “Gay Days,” which are held every August at Walt Disney World in Florida.

Sign here: www.citizengo.org/en-gb/fm/170941-stop-lgbt-indoctrination-disneyland

This is a deceptive move to push the LGBT political agenda and expose children and families to lewd behavior.

Similar parades around the world are notorious for exposing viewers to:

Participants wearing only their underwear or leather bondage gear
Topless dancers
Lewd dancing
People engaging in public sex acts
Semi-nude or completely nude people
Around 157 million people visited Disney parks in 2018. Disney is an empire built on attracting families with children. Gay pride-related events are very public with the potential to become an X-rated peep show. How many of this Saturday’s 430,000 park attendees do you think will be exposed?

I’m sure the LGBT lobby is already counting this as a victory for their dangerous agenda. This is not about promoting love or diversity but the deliberate violation of boundaries and the imposition of Queer Theory and gender ideoelogy.

We cannot sit idle and remain voiceless while gay pride events are targeting family-friendly venues. Join this call to action to stand against Disney’s attempt to indoctrinate our children in an entertainment area that is intended for all audiences.

We only have a short time to act on this call to action.

Sincerely,

Caroline Farrow and the rest of the CitizenGO team

PS It is only a few days until this event takes place. Sign today.

the lack of condemnation of her view and the very soft well we don't agree on everything she says approach smacks of people scared to call out homophobic views from people incase it hurts there overall goals.

I would have thought it more likely to be:

1. A general distaste for 'calling things out' for no purpose other than virtue signaling.

1. A feeling that it's always women who have to be condemned for heretical views. There are male potential prime ministers who seem worse but attract much less criticism on here.

1. A general dislike of being told to do things by posters of dubious intent.

1. A feeling that CF is a bit vulnerable and has been subject to a lot of shit.

1. A lack of familiarity with exactly what CF's views are. Is she rabidly prejudiced or just bog standard social conservative? (I genuinely don't know)

Many people here regularly claim that they are not transphobic, despite holding views that some think are inherently transphobic because they do not accept every idea , it might be worthwhile to consider very carefully calling people who have different ideas about other kinds of things phobic as a matter of course.

You can think they are wrong about some group or characteristic of a group, they can be wrong about them, without it meaning they hate or fear that group of people.

It's not helpful and I think it leads to this sense that you are somehow betraying something just by being civil, or working together on a common interest.

DLP was really good yesterday, and my boy was a brilliant performer as always.

I don't know where this idea has come from that posters don't express their disagreement with some of CF's views. I have seen numerous comments on here where posters have explicitly distanced themselves from some of CF's views whilst expressing their unequivocal support for her as a woman who has experienced unbelievable and unacceptable levels of harassment.

But, in any case I do find it astonishing that some consider it impossible to share some views whilst finding others reprehensible.

For example, I agree with the Green Party on the environment, economy and Europe. But I find their views on women as "non-men" abhorrent.

I support the lib Dems on Brexit but I think they have made some serious mistakes in the past and continue to do so.

I like Heidi Allen and the work she has done on compassion in politics but I find it difficult to rationalize that with her support for austerity.

I am a grown up with different views about different things. It is nice to find someone you agree with on everything but virtually impossible.

That’s the thing. For some people, this isn’t just a case of being able to tolerate slight disagreements on some issues. CF’s views are actively harmful to some groups. It’s nice to be able to agree to disagree but where we are talking about someone wanting to deny you the right to celebrate your relationship or to bring your children up, it’s harder to take that stance because the point of disagreement is so fundamental.

TFW a load of proponents of a homophobic sexual orientation-denying ideology in extremist genderism come along to slag off homophobia in the religious right...

... even the religious right isn't so homophobic as to assert that homosexuality doesn't exist.

Which is most/least homophobic?

a) genderists: sexual orientation doesn't exist; attraction is to gendered souls; PIV can be a lesbian activity

b) religious right: homosexuals are sinners and will go to hell unless they repent

Asking for a friend.

Both are homophobic, Lang. It’s not really about questions of degree. I am not prepared to shut up and tolerate one person’s homophobia just because it isn’t as bad as another person’s.

pota I can assure you my disagreement with the Green Party on their stance that women are "non men" is absolutely not minor. I find that position fundamentally offensive and am appalled that anyone could take it. I feel the same way about homophobia.

Presumably that means that you would not join the Green Party then. And I can never align myself with Caroline Farrow. The people who shout the loudest that we should just ignore differences and band together tend to be heterosexual so although Caroline’s stance might not be something they agree with, it’s not going to directly affect their lives.

I don't have identical views to Caroline on homosexuality. I have stayed well away from this one because it doesn't really align with where I am.

I will stick up for her in general terms, as I would any woman who was being mercilessly bullied for their views as a woman and subject to serious misogyny.

I agree with her on surrogacy, and on the fact that men can never be women. I even agree that Pride parades that include people in fetish wear are not appropriate places for children.

That is far as it goes. I haven't signed any of her petitions. CitizenGo is really not my thing.

But I absolutely will not be taking lessons on homophobia from AWA transactivists who have anti-homosexuality running through their whole worldview like a stick of rock.

I'm not a member of any party but I do often vote green. I am happy to distance myself from their policies on women whilst supporting them on other matters. It's not that hard.

But I absolutely will not be taking lessons on homophobia from AWA transactivists who have anti-homosexuality running through their whole worldview like a stick of rock.

The effrontery of it is staggering, is it not?

This is mad. Of course you can agree with someone on one thing and disagree with them on another.

I could say ‘I’ll come to your meeting about the teaching of gender ideology in schools but I’m definitely not coming to your meeting about pro-life/anti equal marriage etc.’ Then I’d go to the meeting I was interested in and I’d make a fuss if any pro-choice or anti equal marriage/homophobic stuff came up. It’s really not that hard.

I’m also not particularly interested in shutting up any talk of subjects I don’t agree with. What would be the point of that? People still think things, and they still discuss things, in private if need be, so best have it all out in the open where it can be challenged and debated.

And what of the posters condemning other posters for supporting CF over all the abuse she has received? Would you just have people ignore her, because she was asking for it with other, unrelated things she’s said? That’s a pretty despicable position to take and says more about posters who are saying it than anything CF may have said or done.

FYI I’ve had friends who hold pretty shitty oppinions imo. I don’t have to agree, I don’t even have to converse with them about them, and while I may disagree in the strongest terms individuals are entitled to think what they like. I ‘m not their friend because I hold the same beliefs, I’m their friend because I like who they are. If I was looking for a friend whose oppinions and beliefs matched my own all the time I’d never find any friends, and I’d be a bit suspicious of someone who made a point of echoing everything I said.

I am not prepared to shut up and tolerate one person’s homophobia

Is that person here being homophobic? No.

You need to stop talking as if we’re joining Caroline’s political party. Nobody is ‘aligning’. This is the point you seem incapable of grasping. I reject the politics of men, of tribalism. I will continue to agree and disagree with others on various subjects and not limit myself to the tribal behaviour you exhibit.