Caroline F and Pride

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post edited by MNHQ - two petition links deleted

I have a lot of sympathy for Caroline since she was attacked for her gender critical views. However I had a petition in my feed with her name at the top objecting to Disney LGBT Pride. I have objections too to some of the displays of S and M stuff, don't like sex in public etc, but I think she is wrong to include us all in what she objects to. I think there is a problem with Pride being associated with a major children and family brand, but I really hate that lesbians are included in the things not to like category,
I would not take children to these events but I guess one day a year is not a lot to deprive them of the Disney experience....

The Walt Disney brand was once a byword for wholesome family-friendly entertainment.

This weekend Disneyland Paris is holding a Gay Pride parade.

These events are notorious for sexually explicit costumes and displays of lewd behaviour.

Sign here now to stop the indoctrination of young children and keep Disneyland safe for families.

SIGN
Dear......

Warning: Disney parks are no longer family friendly!

Disney is flaunting their new partnership with the “LGBTQ” community as they plan to host their very first gay pride parade this upcoming Saturday, June 1st, at Disneyland Paris. This event is an expansion from a small party they promoted in the park last year and will be the first outright parade celebrating the gay lifestyle.

The growth of gay pride events at Disney is not limited to its Paris location. At Universal Studios Hollywood, in Southern California, Disney is helping to organize the “Pride Is Universal” event that will also take place this Saturday. And, the expansion of “Gay Days,” which are held every August at Walt Disney World in Florida.

Sign here: www.citizengo.org/en-gb/fm/170941-stop-lgbt-indoctrination-disneyland

This is a deceptive move to push the LGBT political agenda and expose children and families to lewd behavior.

Similar parades around the world are notorious for exposing viewers to:

Participants wearing only their underwear or leather bondage gear
Topless dancers
Lewd dancing
People engaging in public sex acts
Semi-nude or completely nude people
Around 157 million people visited Disney parks in 2018. Disney is an empire built on attracting families with children. Gay pride-related events are very public with the potential to become an X-rated peep show. How many of this Saturday’s 430,000 park attendees do you think will be exposed?

I’m sure the LGBT lobby is already counting this as a victory for their dangerous agenda. This is not about promoting love or diversity but the deliberate violation of boundaries and the imposition of Queer Theory and gender ideoelogy.

We cannot sit idle and remain voiceless while gay pride events are targeting family-friendly venues. Join this call to action to stand against Disney’s attempt to indoctrinate our children in an entertainment area that is intended for all audiences.

We only have a short time to act on this call to action.

Sincerely,

Caroline Farrow and the rest of the CitizenGO team

PS It is only a few days until this event takes place. Sign today.

Lesbian here saying meh. Homophobes gonna be homophobic. twas ever thus.

Have I missed something. Since when was Caroline homophobic? My understanding is that she is objecting on the grounds of SOME of the fetishising wear and those that oppose women’s rights. I’m trying to think what us homophobic about that?

I’m not signing it because I’d never sign anything on that site, however I’m not going to silence someone’s views. We get enough of that from the very people she objects to attending the march.

As a parent I would be wary of furry links, but then the same would be true of Comicon. Probably because I have seen too many woke people on twitter with comic avatars.

I tend to agree with Caroline on this. I don't agree with her on everything. She is consistent in her beliefs and brave. Her raising this means that I and others will think a bit more.

Is Pride for kids still facepainting, or are there increasing elements of drag queen story time, Desmond is Amazing, and Mermaids/Aimee Challenor running teens workshops. I would support the former, not the latter. Caroline might support neither, but I suspect would be pragmatic enough to recognise where her support from those, say, concerned about safeguarding, ended, and what might therefore be achievable.

Since when was Caroline homophobic?

I think she takes the Catholic view. Some people consider it homophobic.

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I think you forgot some of my quote.

Lesbian here saying meh. Homophobes gonna be homophobic. twas ever thus. People are allowed their oppinions, even when I don’t like them.

I wonder what’s worse, concluding that the author of a dodgily worded petition that imo reads as homophobic, is in fact homophobic, or using a partial quote in order to accuse someone of silencing?

Everything at Disney is very heavily managed and controlled. There are really strict rules for all their employees (at the parks and the shops) right down to the way they have to dip down to pick up litter. They take their image very seriously. I doubt this will be a sexualised pride. I reckon it will be more about celebrating families of same sex parents.

I'm with nosering. It's highly unlikely that Disney management would passively stand around while men in bondage gear simulated sex acts with each other in front of crowds of children. In fact, I doubt it would happen at all. There will be a code of conduct that they will need to adhere to of this I have no doubt.

One has to wonder whether the sort of people who would turn up dressed only in a thong, nipple tassels and a spiked dog collar would be at Disneyland in the first place. I expect there’s cheeper places they can get their rocks off making public exhibitions of themselves.

Unfortunately for Gender Critical topics there are very few platforms that allow petitions.

38 Degrees and Change.org have both been hard on removing gender critical petititons, including pretty banal ones eg titled "Can the government please consult with women on changes to the law that affect them"

CitizenGo are one of the few petition sites that will even allow gender critical petitions so for that reason I have signed petitions on CG just because other sites wouldn't host them.

It's undoubtedly a sorry State of affairs.

My hairdresser (gay, Disney mad) went to Disney Pride last year, said it was crap (!) To be honest you can't get more camp than Disney, I can't get too worked up about it and would imagine Disney will "disneyfy" it.

We should be doing government petitions.

I wonder what’s worse, concluding that the author of a dodgily worded petition that imo reads as homophobic, is in fact homophobic, or using a partial quote in order to accuse someone of silencing?

Sorry I didn’t write that very well. I genuinely didn’t think that C was homophobic.

The second paragraph wasn’t actually about you. Sorry if it came across that way. It’s about those that try to silence others.

Wow, there are well over 200K signatures already, so clearly there are plenty of people who agree with this petition.

Presume it must have been shared stateside among the religious conservative groups?

However you look at it, that is a lot of signatures.

I imagine that Disney will be treading very carefully on this. Last thing they want now is for any pictures depicting inappropriate behaviour to emerge on Saturday.

I imagine that Disney security will be at Level 5 Red Alert (Lesbians on Chairs kinda level).

I wouldn't go to Disney or take any child of mine there if you paid me to.

And I totally support Caroline's right to free speech and live free from harassment and intimidation, but I only coincide with her on GC matters.

I'm another who supports CC right to state her views free from harassment. Our GC views coincide but I disagree with her more conservative Christian views. That said I respect her right to hold those views. I'm confused by her being wife to catholic priest, is her dh one of those bigoted vicars that transferred to Catholicism in protest at women vicars? Or is it some variant of Catholicism I haven't come across?

I'd expect Disney to do a nice sanitised family friendly Pride so unless proved wrong I won't be signing this particular petition. I never had a problem with Pride before the trans takeover, the removal of lesbians is where I have a problem with it, I'm not keen on overt sexualised drag and def disagree with child drag acts.

This is more than Caroline voicing her opinion, she’s openly admitted that she is employed by CitizenGO to promote their position (including strong anti-LGBT, anti-abortion stances) - This is a step beyond having a different perspective.

In the case of this petition, I don’t see how Disney holding a (expected ‘Disneyfied’) Pride parade is a problem? I very much doubt there will be anything ‘untoward’ on display.

I think it is extremely unlikely Disney would allow anything which was not certificate U at a Disney parade.

I wonder if this has any bearing on the attempt to discredit Disney?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48457401

I'll be honest, I'm gender critical and was extremely uncomfortable with the unconditional support CF received on here. I thought she sounded hysterical, disagree with her right wing views on abortion and gay rights. I also severely doubted her stories about the harrassment she said she received ie at one point she said she had 30 Argos parcels delivered to her......who would spend a lot of money sending loads of stuff to her?

I also don't think Disney is a place for Pride though, will it have drag kids like Desmond is amazing? There are guys dressed up in leathers and some highly sexualised costumes. The entertainment at the only Pride I have been to includes adult drag acts and I don't think they are suitable for Disney.

If Disney did a watered down more PG Pride then I would be in support of it.

I'm bi and have a DD who is a lesbian so am fully in support of the LGB community normally. I hate the idea that LGB people are trying to convert the straights since it simply isn't true.

I hate the idea that LGB people are trying to convert the straights since it simply isn't true

Some queer people are trying to convert the straights though.

And some trans people are trying to trans everybody, and convert the LGBs to straight...

I'm gender critical and was extremely uncomfortable with the unconditional support CF received on here

Should there be conditions to supporting harassed people? Some of us were here when she was followed and harassed repeatedly, here, and I doubt very much she produced the disgusting rape song about herself. The accusation is preposterous and baseless.

Caroline received support regarding the harassment and attempts at silencing her, including the police visits and vexatious litigation.

If you aren’t capable of supporting women being harassed and targeted, obsessively, because they hold some views that are different from yours, and you criticise others who are capable of doing so, then that is a poor reflection on yourself.

@JessicaWakefieldSV I of course do not support harrassment of anyone, never saw the rape song and find that disgusting.

She has the right to free speech and I choose not to support her views.

She has the right to free speech and I choose not to support her views.

Never said you had to do anything. But you are criticising the support she received, so I responded to that. You actually support free speech and gender critical views, so what you should say is that you do not support some of her views. Which is pretty much the case for everyone I imagine. I’ve yet to find someone I agree with on absolutely everything.

It's unpopular to say on here but it seems like Caroline has thought fuckit, in for a penny in for a pound, and decided to go all guns blazing in the knowledge she'll be backed by hardline conservatives and Christians. That petition is hugely misjudged and cements the idea GC=bigoted. It's gross and indefensible no matter how much people think she's a good person to have on board. She shouldn't be silenced or harassed but equally her views deserve to be engaged with critically as the vast majority are woman hating shit.

cements the idea GC=bigoted

Well not really. Like, one high profile person who is GC having a view a lot disagree with..does nothing for the GC movement surely? Reminds me a bit of those who will say 'I was a feminist until I saw someone who was a feminist say they hated all men so now its clear all feminists hate men' and stuff. The actions/views of one person do not apply to the rest of the people in whatever subgroup. It becomes quite a bit of an obvious issue though if...a lot of GC feminists were saying homophobic stuff (for the record, not saying Caro is..) I guess. But as usual, agreeing on one topic does not mean I have to agree with them on every single topic. I literally know noone (and suspect noone else does either) who shares all of my opinions, or even many who have not at some stage threw out an opinion I strongly disagreed with.

Nearly 350K signatures.

That is a lot of people signing, whatever anyone feels about it.