Martina Navratilova to front BBC1 transgender athletes doc

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I knew she was making a documentary but I didn't know it was for the BBC. Bit wary now of what she'll be allowed to say.

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The tennis star and gay rights campaigner is to front Brook Lapping’s 60-minute doc Trans Athletes: A Fair Playing Field?, which will air next month.

In February, Navratilova was roundly criticised by trans and equality activists for stating that allowing transgender women to compete in women’s sporting tournaments was “insane and cheating”. She subsequently said she would do more research on the matter.

For the doc, Navratilova will speak with the athletes, scientists and sporting officials at the forefront of the debate, including former Olympic swimmer Sharron Davies, who said in March that transgender athletes could “ruin women’s sport”.

She will also meet trans medical physicist and former runner Joanna Harper, who will explain how her run times dropped by more than 10% following her transition.

Michelle your post added a great deal. These children will have bigger concerns.

But if you don’t have puberty what do you become?

The fact that no one has any real idea of the long term consequences of this is seemingly concerning only to those who post here. Owl certainly doesn’t give a fuck.

Basically we need to watch Jazz Jennings’ life unfold as a car crash over the coming years and hope Jazz gets through it. (If we get honest answers that is...I wouldn’t be surprised to see TLC walk away when Jazz starts wondering what the fuck has been done to them). Breaks my heart thinking about it.

It’s a terrible thing for a person to advise that children been given puberty blockers when it seems like no one knows long term effects.

How awful for the child
It’s like experiment ing on children if no one knows long term effects

You're probably thinking of this, littlbrowndog:

Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre of Evidence-based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said: “Given paucity of evidence, the off-label use of drugs in gender dysphoria treatment largely means an unregulated live experiment on children.”

From the article in The Times calling for an end to the transgender experiment on children. Sorry, I haven't got a share token.

Here’s my take, for what it’s worth!

I actually take a lot of positives from last night.

Yes, it was nowhere near perfect but you know what we had the trans debate on prime time tv. That alone is a big tick.

Take a look at Twitter, a LOT of people were peaked-transed last night.

We had science on our side. The pro argument consisted of several men saying “but I want to”, an obviously nutcase sociologist who more or less said “women should try harder” and a lawyer who’s key argument was “be nicer”. The only factual stuff clearly stated that there IS a physical advantage.

It would have been nice if the conclusion was “we need to wait for the research to be finished before we change any rules”, but I’m calling it a win for our team overall.

I was reading something the other day - and it was arguing that puberty is pretty essential for brain development into adulthood.

Owl isn't talking about puberty blockers being like pressing the "pause" button to think about gender identity - which is the line pushed by Mermaids etc. Owl is talking about children never going through a natural puberty - but instead flooding the body with opposite sex hormones. I'm not sure this can possibly be the same as the body's natural puberty.

And what next? Taking sex hormones for life - infertility, or certainly being unable to conceive naturally - presumably numerous surgeries too. When they have no idea of the long-term affects. The people advocating this are Frankensteins - experimenting on children. How can children consent to this? How can they understand the ramifications?

Re the research - it was noticeable how competitive Martina was in trying those tests of strength with the Loughborough researchers.

How can the researchers confirm that the transwomen being measured are trying equally hard? Perhaps trying hard is considered "manly", whereas limply playing the "weak little girly me" card is seen as more feminine - a bit like crying in Disney films, perhaps?

I'm glad I didn't watch it after all, but also don't forget the sheer tonnage of stuff that would have been filmed ("yeah sure Martina...!") then left on the cutting room floor.

It's a long game. Have a look at the excerpt chosen for the BBCOne twitter account:

twitter.com/BBCOne/status/1143963314604662785

That's attracting a fair few WTFs and also tweets criticising the programme that, frankly, often look unhinged. More sunlight please.

"BBC whipping up anti-transgender hate. Every time you run one of these factually inaccurate programmes I get more hate in the street. The way it's going I'm waiting for the brick through the window any day now."

"Unhinged" is about right, nauticant. The victim mentality is quite something.

There will be no incentive for TW in sport to try hard. You would just need to try hard enough to get ahead. That’s all.

There is no empirical test for trying your best. Just look at some of those videos circulating and you can see quite clearly that some female competitors are stretched to the very core of their being to get up front in those races. One or two of the (leading) competitors are clearly not quite as challenged.

"Factually inaccurate". Every person with a few brain cells understands why we have sex-segregated sport and that no matter what a person feels about themselves, sports segregation is based on the physical body.

No amount of cosmetic - or chemical - interference with a body can make it into the sex it is not. And if one more person suggests the reason for differences in results is that the men are 'trying harder', I'm going to fucking explode in a torrent of rage.

(Apart from how fucking insulting AND sexist that suggestion is, they're also suggesting that no woman ever tried as hard as a man, aren't they?)

No. You may not take our sport.
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“They muddy the water, to make it seem deep”
Every survey and poll tells us that public opinion does not support allowing males to participate in sporting competitions for females no matter how the males identify. Most people can see the absolute travesty of justice in allowing this game of the Emperor’s New Clothes to continue. So why are governments, sporting bodies, and regulators ignoring us all and ploughing ahead with what will surely be the dismantling of female sport? What kind of oligarchy are they that they clearly think they know better than the vast majority of the populations they are supposed to represent? No doubt they see themselves as more of a meritocracy, but they are demonstrating that they have next to no understanding of science nor any common sense so I see little justification for their patronising governance. It is time they remembered that without the masses they are showing such disdain for, they have no athletes, no bums on seats, no one to buy merchandise, no sponsors, and no one to pay their bills.

👆I don’t know how to link to a piece on medium.com but the writer up there ani o’ Brien has written a really good piece

medium.com/@aniobrien/no-you-may-not-take-our-sports-29bb9a6a3c0e

Ta nauticant

How do you do that. Asking for one of my friends 😉

Two [ before and two ] after the URL should give you a link

I mostly use the desktop version of this site and for me it happens automatically when I put the link address into my post.

If you don't get that, put double square brackets at the start and end of the link address so that the link address is contained within .

I can't wait to see what happens when all the pervs sit down to watch ladies beach volleyball next time and Davina and Jess are actually Dave and Jeff in those tiny little bikinis.

Martina has a contract with/is employed by the BBC for Wimbledon. Perhaps if she wants to keep the job she's been made to disavow her "transphobia". The whole programme was building up to the point that it is ridiculous and unfair to have male-bodied people competing in women's sports. Then Martina is made to come out with some drivel about MTF trans' "struggle" and how we have to support them. It didn't make sense.

R. Mackinnon is on Twitter complaining that

"They never even contact me, a world-leading expert"

twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1143943420827918337

Just how big is that ego?

I did wonder what my dear friend Rachel would have to say.

Hope you can get over the crushing disappointment of not being all that.

Ever affectionately,
Your "Shitbag"

Jesus that McKinnon thread! How can Dr McKinnon TYPE those words? Without curling into a ball of embarrassment and shame??

Is McKinnon trolling?

No one can actually have an ego that huge can they?

I self identify as an expert.

At the beginning a clip of RM is on it saying that irrational fear of trans women is the definition of transphobia. And then Martina unpacks it with lots of reasonable and rational concerns and analysis. With a conclusion that we need more proper research. Which utterly undoes the "irrational fear" allegation.