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Dr Mike Webberley suspended

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Brighterf · 18/05/2019 07:06

Seems like Dr Mike Webberley has now also been suspended and he and his wife now plan to take their services overseas. Can't see this reported elsewhere yet though.

www.gaystarnews.com/article/mike-webberley-suspended-trans-kids/

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youllhavehadyourtea · 19/05/2019 14:15

Still the company ran at a loss in 2018. Which is perhaps surprising.

Isnt that the way people run companies? So that they either make a loss , or just break even, and that way avoid paying tax.

Needmoresleep · 19/05/2019 14:22

I wonder which came first, given Dr Webberley seems to prescribe across the full GP range, and perhaps beyond. (Is the online pharmacy dispensing drugs that a non specialist GP would not normally expect to prescribe?)

The online prescribing, or the gender specialism.

If the former it suggests that a later interest in gender dysphoria was commercially driven, as in a potential market spotted, rather than through concern for the individuals affected.

The Webberleys are well networked with gender specialists/lobbyists both in the UK and US. I think it matters what the motivation is. These are children ffs.

Popchyk · 19/05/2019 14:41

I've not seen this before.

It is a report of Helen Webberley's legal appeal to get her name back on the NHS Medical Performers List back in September 2018. The appeal was refused, but it gives a lot of insight into Webberley's activities, particularly the online medical services stuff that she ran.

phl.decisions.tribunals.gov.uk/Documents/FTT%20Decision%2022%20October%202018%20-%20[2018]%203251.PHL.pdf

From the report:

She has a controlling interest in three companies registered with Companies House which were incorporated in dates in 2014 as follows:

GenderGP Limited - 10 August
My Web Doctor Limited - 13 November
Online GP Services Limited - 16 November

On her own case the appellant has been involved in the provision of on-line medical services in a variety of ways which include:

www.theonlinesurgery.co.uk
www.oxfordonlinepharmacy.co.uk
www.mywebdoctor.co.uk
www.gendergp.co.uk

Popchyk · 19/05/2019 15:12

A few pieces from the report.

"We noted that Dr Taylor said in his statement that in the 15 years’ experience of involvement in the review of clinical concerns he had never witnessed such resistance from a doctor in the face of valid concerns, to facilitating the provision of assurance on clinical safety on such a scale as that demonstrated by Dr Webberley".

"It is notable that her main appeal statement is very short on facts but long on legal argument". Miaow. Grin

"One example of this was when she was asked about a letter of complaint dated 14 December 2015 when was sent to the Blaina surgery by a former patient who was writing from prison and seeking Dr Webberley’s home address. Her position was that she did not know about the letter of complaint because it had been sent to the surgery so she did not see it. However, the very next document was a County Court claim form. Although this has no issue date it bears the same county court reference number as that cited in the letter. The fact that the claim had a number indicates that it had been lodged. It emerged that Dr Webberley had attended a telephone case management conference with a District Judge at an early stage. We find that, irrespective of whether she did not or did not receive the complaint letter, she knew about the issues raised by the patient soon after the claim was issued in or about December 2015".

Dr Webberley’s approach to the claim for damages in her evidence to us was that this has nothing to do with her and what the patient was really complaining about was the prison doctor. Cursory reading of the claim form shows that this is inaccurate. In short, her former patient, then in prison, was claiming that she had been under the continuing care of Dr Webberley, a gender specialist who prescribed her hormone treatment. The core of the claim was that, once in custody, she needed Dr Webberley to confirm her treatment and prescription details but Dr Webberley would not talk to her, told the prison doctor that she did not know her and not to call again. The claimant’s case was also that her solicitor wrote to Dr Webberley to no avail".

So much for sterling patient care, eh? Hmm

"We find that she used every possible argument to frustrate any investigation or overview of her practice".

"In our view no conditions could realistically be imposed that would begin to address the clear inefficiency posed by her continued inclusion in the MPL because she does not, in truth, accept that she is accountable to the LHB. In this she is very plainly wrong".

"Dr Webberley’s attitude is one of entrenched resistance to regulation and is highly coloured by her lack of integrity and candour".

"We take into account also that she was seriously unwell in 2016 and has suffered from ill health since".

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 19/05/2019 15:24

Self diagnosed?

ThePurportedDoctoress · 19/05/2019 15:32

That's shocking Popchyk.
Webberley claimed that the cessation of her online service to transgender patients would be harmful, but she didn't want to know when someone she had previously prescribed hormones to needed her to confirm the prescription and treatment. Why - because the trans person was in prison and no longer a paying customer? And this doctor - and her husband - have been prescribing hormones to children. What could possibly go wrong?

Ereshkigal · 19/05/2019 15:49

On her own case the appellant has been involved in the provision of on-line medical services in a variety of ways which include:

If you go on the Conception boards there are threads suggesting that if your doctor won't prescribe you the fertility drug Clomid you can (could then) get it easily from Oxford Online Pharmacy.

Needmoresleep · 19/05/2019 16:13

Tangentially related:

An article about how difficult it is for Bristol trans students to access NHS care using referrals from on-line clinics.

epigram.org.uk/2019/05/16/student-health-service-initially-refused-hormone-prescription-to-transgender-student/

Access to health care is raised regularly by trans lobby groups. However there is a whole lot to unpick. Many GPs are naturally unwilling to prescribe bridging hormones, or to accept referrals from private, indeed on-line providers. But this is true in other areas, where a policy seems to exist that if you start private, you have to stay private. The rapid increase in trans numbers means a shortage of specialists, and resignations won’t have helped. But this too exists in other health areas. Waits for important orthopaedic surgery can run into years.

It sounds as if suspending the Webberleys was the right move, but that it will only lead to more pressure on the NHS.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/05/2019 16:44

Nice little circular link between the pharmacy site and the Webberley’s (see text in red).

Sounds like a bit of a joint venture

Clear Chemist is working in conjunction with Dr Webberley (GMC #3657058) to ensure patients have full access to customer queries, advise on a wide range on healthcare and medications as well as arranging, if necessary investigations and onward referrals.
www.clearchemist.co.uk/about-us/

FannyCann · 19/05/2019 16:50

Many GPs are naturally unwilling to prescribe bridging hormones, or to accept referrals from private, indeed on-line providers. But this is true in other areas, where a policy

"The expert opined that Dr. Webberley was not qualified to provide care to trans patients. He also felt that Dr. Webberley had not undertaken any recognised training pathway in transgender care and was not on a specialist register to be able to provide such care."

I would say GPs who value their reputation and registration not to mention wishing to do no harm are very sensible to steer clear of prescribing in an area where they lack expertise.

OldCrone · 19/05/2019 16:53

Helen Webberley is also touting for business in Dubai. So maybe the money's going through a company there.

www.expatechodubai.com/new-to-dubai/british-gp-online/#more-248873

I also notice that there is no mention of her suspension on her My Web Doctor site.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 19/05/2019 16:56

It’s all about the money?

hoodathunkit · 19/05/2019 18:49

I find it interesting that this news story appears to have broken on a Russian LGBTQwhatever website, namely gaystarnews.com

I just wondered whether this is a website that has popped up in the past here at all?

I am asking for a couple of reasons.

Firstly the website came to my attention only yesterday as it was promoted on the twitter feed of a highly dubious FtM trans therapist who uses NLP

Secondly, posters here may not know this but it is very common for Russian LBBT organisations to be infiltrated by or even founded by the Kremlin, at least according to a very interesting book I have been reading recently, this one

www.amazon.co.uk/Nothing-True-Everything-Possible-Surreal/dp/1610394550?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

sample chapter of great interest to feminists here

<a class="break-all" href="https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:orGmPMZs7hMJ:www.businessinsider.com/moscow-gold-digger-academy-2015-4+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=safari" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:orGmPMZs7hMJ:www.businessinsider.com/moscow-gold-digger-academy-2015-4+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=safari

The entire book is fascinating for anyone interested in the activities of the Russian state in relation to astroturfing, cults, social engineering etc.

It would be extremely interesting if the Russian website in the first to be in the know about Webberley

hoodathunkit · 19/05/2019 18:51

LBBT should read LGBTQwhatever

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2019 18:52

Give me evidence its NOT all about the money.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 19/05/2019 18:54

"Dr Webberley’s attitude is one of entrenched resistance to regulation and is highly coloured by her lack of integrity and candour".

That's basically the catch phrase for all these doctors and lobbyists.

hoodathunkit · 19/05/2019 18:57

Therapist (I use the term loosely) website here

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190428163756/transgendertherapy.co.uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20190428163756/transgendertherapy.co.uk/

twitter feed with fondness for gaystarnews.com here

https:/twitter.com/transgenderthpy

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 19/05/2019 19:03

"She has deeply engrained attitudinal flaws which make it impossible for her to reflect in any real sense. She does not show any recognition of proper governance. She is unsuitable."

Ouch

pombear · 19/05/2019 19:07

OldCrone

That Dubai article " Mirroring the NHS in its ease of access and high medical standards "

Why, oh why, has Mumsnet not giving us a 'crying with laughter' smiley yet?

(Though sadly, this is not really that funny, at the same time)

Helen, in case you're here grinding your teeth at the posters posting facts and links, here, have a Biscuit

truthisarevolutionaryact · 19/05/2019 19:38

lack of integrity and candour
There's a characteristic running through this whole toxic movement !

Mumfun · 19/05/2019 20:44

rowan and fanny yes definitely ego likely motivation for Webberleys.

But also I believe likely motive also is freedom to act. I have seen this in a relative doctor who recently took a tough unusual job working on her own and told me that she loved being able to make the decisions, work in her own way and really contribute in the area

I think it also possible that the Shipman god complex could be considered as a motive. Narcissism too in that they get told constantly by the TRAs and a lot of clients how important and wonderful they are

SirVixofVixHall · 20/05/2019 16:33

I see that they have a clinic in Spain, a friend’s SIXTEEN year old dd in Spain has been put straight onto cross sex hormones. I am now wondering if she went to their clinic. I could cry.

OldCrone · 20/05/2019 16:48

The Webberley's seem to have moved their GenderGP business offshore to get out of the reach of any sort of regulation.

GenderGP (c) 2015-2019 Owned by Spectrum Support Services Ltd. Company Number 173090. 3301 Chetumal Street, Belize City

InsulatedCup · 20/05/2019 16:52

What powers do the GMC have over a doctor offering services onilne when suspended. This is how she currently describes her service on MyWebDoctor:

I am a GP and a sexual health and hormone specialist. I can give advice on any medical matter, and I offer safe access to medical advice, prescription medication, blood tests and x-rays, and specialist referrals to your local private hospital as needed.

OldCrone · 20/05/2019 17:03

What powers do the GMC have over a doctor offering services onilne when suspended.

That's what I've been wondering. Anyone can search on the GMC website, and find that she's suspended, but is she actually breaking any laws by putting her GMC number and "I am a GP" etc on the web? And if so, can she be prosecuted for that even if she has moved to Spain?

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