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Lewis Moonie has resigned from the Labour party [shock]

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/05/2019 21:59

"I’ve resigned from the Labour Party today. I was accused of transphobia by the usual suspects, and told I must attend a disciplinary hearing. My membership suspended too. Not really up to fighting it so I’ve saved them the trouble.
I feel free to carry on campaigning for women."

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SlipperyLizard · 15/05/2019 09:47

Lord Moonie was a shred of hope for me that the whole Labour Party hadn’t lost its mind. No hope now.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 15/05/2019 10:38

has anyone got a share token for the Times article on this pretty please?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/suspended-labour-peer-lord-moonie-quits-in-transphobic-tweets-row

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 15/05/2019 11:00

Much obliged, R0!

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 15/05/2019 11:05

Interestingly, even MRA buddies Stonewall have a softer line than normal?

"A spokesman for the campaign group Stonewall said: ‘Transpeople are facing high levels of abuse and discrimination so it’s crucial that public discussions about trans equality are respectful and informed.”

Where has their #NODEBATE line gone to?

R0wantrees · 15/05/2019 11:10

from The Times article above:

"Lord Moonie, 72, was the subject of several complaints by party members after he retweeted dozens of posts by other users which condemn the recognition of transwomen as women."

The Times understands that Lord Moonie had already received a warning from the chief whip in the Lords for inviting the controversial campaign group Standing for Women to host an event in parliament, but it was his social media activity which led to his suspension.

He had also received a reminder of conduct in January in relation to his social media content." (continues)

Redshoeblueshoe · 15/05/2019 11:19

The Labour party really hate women.

howonearthdidwegethere · 15/05/2019 11:25

Stonewall statement in line with Ruth Hunt's alleged statement on BBC Hard Talk yesterday (spotted thread here but not watched interview): this is historical revisionism.

Watch it in action. And take screenshots.

We won't forget, Ruth, how you merrily threw women - and most importantly lesbians - under the bus.

SisterWendyBuckett · 15/05/2019 11:30

If Stonewall are now saying they want respectful and informed public discussion, let's see it then. Come on Stonewall, what are you waiting for?

happydappy2 · 15/05/2019 11:32

Was this story not printed in the 1st edition? I saw SH tweeting about it but couldn’t see it, is now added as ‘new’.

I appreciate & admire Moonie. No comments seem to be under that Times article yet..l

JackyHolyoake · 15/05/2019 11:36

Transpeople are facing high levels of abuse and discrimination

Where is the evidence for this?

And if there are high levels of discrimination why is this not documented and substantiated for all to see and why is the law not being used to counter this, given that is the purpose of the Equality Act 2010.

Or are these just more unsubstantiated claims being made?

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 15/05/2019 11:45

Where is the evidence for this?

There IS no evidence. It's one of those mantras that, if repeated often enough, sounds true.

But, like naughty children, Stonewall can't recant it now, they've said it too much, in too deep. They rely on normal people believing that so-called reputable orgs wouldn't just flat-out lie to them.

And of course saying "women don't have penises" is included as "abuse" in their fucked up, made up claim...

redstapler · 15/05/2019 11:48

The meeting today is still happening

Absolutepowercorrupts · 15/05/2019 12:06

JackyHolyoake
I thought that the protected characteristic is gender reassignment so I'm thinking that all these high levels of abuse are directed at people who have self identified and are using gender identity as the protected characteristic, they're not protected at all iyswim so the Equality Act 2010 cant be used to legally challenge these high levels of abuse

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/05/2019 12:11

I thought that the protected characteristic is gender reassignment

Gender reassignment includes anyone who has just thought about it fleetingly though...

A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/7

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JackyHolyoake · 15/05/2019 12:13

I thought that the protected characteristic is gender reassignment

Indeed it is, and this is the characteristic that should be used, since none other is available. Otherwise, any claims made about discrimination are mere hearsay and have no credibility.

I am sure that Stonewall would have funded any relevant legal action, given the money it has available to use or even TELI could have taken action.

hipsterfun · 15/05/2019 12:53

old school labour - back when it was socialist. I don’t know what the hell it is now

Thinking back to ‘97 for a moment, Labour, when you began the process of betraying your values, and your voters, do you not think that’s ultimately what led to the referendum outcome? I do.

Shoulda stuck with the socialism, Labour. You’ve fucked everything right up.

ThePurportedDoctoress · 15/05/2019 12:55

a warning from the chief whip in the Lords for inviting the controversial campaign group Standing for Women to host an event in parliament

A warning from the chief whip, for inviting Standing for Women? WTF?
I used to cringe at the Stalinist jibes about Labour Party, but this is political repression plain and simple.
Since I stopped my Lib Dem membership I've been looking to Labour hoping that they will finally come to their senses on this, but now? No fucking way will I vote Labour. I'm desperately clinging to the hope that TIG/Change UK will show leadership in this area and “pursue policies that are evidence based, not led by ideology” like they said they would. Not holding my breath.

Ereshkigal · 15/05/2019 13:01

But it was fine to invite convicted attempted rapist/murderer Karen Jones to an event at the HoL to push the transagenda?

RubberTreePlant · 15/05/2019 13:02

Star Lord Moodie.

R0wantrees · 15/05/2019 13:07

But it was fine to invite convicted attempted rapist/murderer Karen Jones to an event at the HoL to push the transagenda?

February 2018 Daily Mail:
' Transgender activist jailed for killing her boyfriend and trying to rape shop assistant five days after being released from prison is invited to speak at HOUSE OF LORDS'
Karen Jones is a transgender activist who was born as a man called Mark Jones
Ms Jones, 34, from Leeds, was convicted of manslaughter after strangling her partner
Five days after being released in 2002, Jones brutally assaulted a female shop assistant after gagging her mouth with a lemon and trying to rape her
She was invited to launch a review on transgender people in the criminal justice system in the House of Lords"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5440153/Trans-convict-invited-speak-House-Lords.html

transcrimeuk.com/2017/10/30/karen-lawson/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3180050-Invited-to-talk-at-the-House-of-Lords

andyoldlabour · 15/05/2019 13:07

"Thinking back to ‘97 for a moment, Labour, when you began the process of betraying your values, and your voters, do you not think that’s ultimately what led to the referendum outcome? I do."

I think it definitely had a huge affect, with hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of traditional Labour voters drifting away from the party.
Labour has not been the party of the working class for a very long time, they now represent the anarchist Momentum, fringe minority groups and young, woke SJW's. All of the previous have probably never done a hard day's work in their lives.

hipsterfun · 15/05/2019 14:28

Might’ve been better for the country for Labour to remain a socialist opposition than become electable. It’s difficult not to feel we lost more than we gained.

andyoldlabour · 15/05/2019 14:59

hipsterfun

I often think what it would have been like if the late John Smith had lived.
Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were responsible for "New Labour" which managed to get into power, purely as a result of the lack of enthusiasm for the Tories.
I think that was the start of "identity" politics and spin doctors.
I mean, let us face facts and admit, that Tony Blair took our country to war after attaching himself to the Neocons in the US. Some of those people - John Bolton, Gina Haspel etc. - are the warmongers advising Donald Trump today.
However, we then had the backlash directed at the Blairites, which resulted in the Jeremy Corbyn era. A lot of his followers seem to be very young and inexperienced in real life matters. There are no visible elder statesmen/women in the party, and no prominent politicians who seem to be working for the majority of the people and their concerns, fears, interests.
The Islington crowd and their hangers on, are completely and utterly out of touch with traditional Labour voters, and are in denial about that fact.
Lord Moodie is just the latest casualty of the bizarre circus which is the present day Labour Party.
James Kier Hardie must be spinning in his grave.