Helen Steel chucked off mass trespass on moors because others felt 'unsafe' to be close to someone with her views

[GabrielleNelson]

Helen Steel, for goodness sake. Took on McDonald's and won. Exposed the Met putting undercover police officers into environmental groups and ending up in long-term relationships and fathering children with women members. And now, because she recognises basic biology, stands up for the right of lesbians to be same-sex attracted and has defended others being physically attacked and bullied by people of a different point of view, she is told she makes others feel unsafe and on day three of a mass trespass on the moors she is told to leave the camp so that the terrified people lurking nearby can finally come in without suffering a mental collapse.

@toddyban on Twitter has a thread detailing what happened. A few people left with her. The organisers didn't have the guts to come and tell her themselves.

What a load of bollocks. Unsafe, my arse! She should have told them they were making her feel unsafe so they had to leave. I bloody would have.

You don’t have to be a conspiracy theorist to think the state keeps a close eye on dissenters. It’s guaranteed and any sensible activist knows it.

Spycops represents a major crossing of the line.

These people do not feel "unsafe", they are not "victims". This excellent article by Lionel Shriver exposes brilliantly this fake-offence taking, which is in fact just simple witch hunting
www.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/millennials-arent-taking-offence-theyre-hunting-for-victims/

Helen Steel comments & identifies 'some academics' from Women's Strike Assembly as 'architects of the bullying'
I went and took a look at the Womens Strike UK site, and frankly couldn't stomach more than five minutes of it - they're so woke and intersectional that they should just remove the "Women" from their name. Especially as they believe that there is no biological basis for gender discrimination and welcome anybody who merely identifies as 'woman'!

What really enraged me was this line: "A week after we blocked the fascists in Oct 2018, 8000 women went on strike in Glasgow..." - making it sound like the small part they took in a big anti-fascist march in London somehow sparked off the Glasgow cleaners' strike. The Glasgow strike was in fact the culmination of a dozen years of action against pay discrimination by the then Labour-run Glasgow council. Have any of the Womens Strike lot ever been north of Watford, I wonder? Oh, wait, some of them were at that camp in Yorkshire; the poor dears must have been terrified about being amongst all that foreigness, no wonder they wanted their camp to be a 'safe place'!

Yep, that’s about the size of it.

And they won’t enjoy the world they’re creating for us nearly as much as they imagine.

'Unsafe' has become a euphemism for certain people, meaning 'do what I say or I'll throw the mother of all tantrums'.

Try telling a TRA that their words/behaviours/thoughts/presence on the planet makes you feel unsafe and notice just how reciprocal this is.

As usual it's about demanding extreme, very visible and privileged levels of caretaking, protection and VIP treatment to the detriment of anyone around who in any way shows boundaries or is failing to indulge to the high degree expected. Bunch of spoiled children.

I go back and forth over to what extent the outrage is manufactured or genuinely felt. I think it can be one, both or neither on any given day, and this is helpful in wrong footing and disorienting people, which I agree is the end goal.

I do too. I think sometimes it is both - I've seen young people become pretty unhinged and hysterical. It reminds me of what my girls would do when they were pre-teens, start to get upset over something, but really work themselves up, purposefully, into a sort of fit. The extent to which they really understood their own motivations was questionable though.

I feel like a real old fogey, but I am wondering how these people who are supposed to be adults are still at that stage of life. There are so many of them, it has to be something about how they were raised or their education.

From Women Strike

In Leeds, a ‘managed zone’ has been implemented in Holbeck, wherein law enforcement does not prosecute the sale of sex within designated non-residential areas. This has provided space for the delivery of welfare services and facilitated greater protection for vulnerable sex workers in the zone. Despite its clear social benefits, there has been a concerted effort by campaigners, the council and property developers to shut it down

Looking at that website it is pure Orwellian. The far left scares me far more than anything the far right in the UK does.

I loathe them both. I find the extreme tribalism of both sides very troubling and offputting. Nobody agrees with anyone else on 100% of issues. Pragmatism, competence, common sense, resilience, kindness - all sadly lacking in modern politics.

facilitated greater protection for vulnerable sex workers in the zone

Greater protection? Is that what they call women being raped and murdered whilst local women and children are constantly subject to harassment. I’d hate to see what a bad outcome of the managed zone looks like to them.

Gabrielle, the 2017 bookfair was in haringey, helens home ground.

This has provided space for the delivery of welfare services and facilitated greater protection for vulnerable sex workers in the zone. Despite its clear social benefits, there has been a concerted effort by campaigners, the council and property developers to shut it down

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3260133-You-need-to-read-this-article-about-the-Leeds-red-light-district

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3315768-New-article-on-Leeds-red-light-district

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3422237-Leeds-Holbeck-managed-zone-men-harassing-women-and-children-including-a-4-month-old-baby

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3316323-Advice-needed-re-Leeds-managed-zone

Nordic model better defends prostituted women. If we adopt women's strike model the job centres will be sending us all out on the game.

Thanks, Missing. I was thinking of an incident that happened at Goldsmith's at a radical book fair which I've tracked down with Google's help. medium.com/@GappyTales/radical-feminism-banned-from-radical-bookfair-331f619ae0ce

an ugly confrontation ensued in which a young, very gender conforming man called one woman a “fucking ugly cunt” and turned aggressively on a female organiser who had asked him to please stop being so antagonistic.

As I waited outside the gates, one woman approached, ripped up my leaflet and handed it back to me. Another did the same and then attempted a number of times, unsuccessfully, to set fire to the shreds. Soon after I became aware of a group of men, plus one woman, sitting to my left a couple of metres away talking loudly about “TERFS.” This group included the same young man as had been particularly abusive earlier, and as I looked over he made eye contact, raised his eyebrows suggestively, and blew me a kiss in such a way that — particularly in the context of having been on the receiving end of so many threats of sexual violence online due to my beliefs about sex and gender — I found extremely unsettling.

After a time we walked around to a side road to wait for our car and were immediately followed by this group, who gathered first with others at the top of some steps opposite, before descending and crossing the road in order to stand next to us. A continual stream of invective followed over the next twenty or so minutes: misogynistic comments about my own and another woman’s appearance, wild accusations such as we were “white supremacists” (when in fact I was marching against the BNP before the accuser was likely born), along with an unstated but ever present threat of potential violence. As the car finally left I was told that they hoped we died in a car crash.

it has to be something about how they were raised or their education.

agree. they are not being taught about the structural oppression of women and many of them benefit from it still, being either male or if female, very young. it is only going to get worse as children are being taught that the wrong words and thoughts are literal violence against their identities and identity is of course sacrosanct.

Julian Vigo's recent article:
'The Culture of Narcissism in an Era of Identity Politics Gone Awry'
concludes:
"Lasch goes on to note that what people seek is “not cynical detachment but a piece of the action, a part in the drama instead of cynical spectatorship.” Instead, all that the subject has today is pure spectatorship or to become the spectacle. This is beyond any clearly defined aesthetic or philosophy, yet it falls within the confines of the meaningless and the mundane. The contemporary subject is facing a lifetime of economic poverty and social irrelevance amidst the backdrop of late-stage capitalism where the only ware left to sell is the self.

At the end of the day, if all you have to offer society are your pronouns, the constant obsession over “passing” as that which you are not, and the need to control how others see you and our cultural obsession functions in strict correlation with the demands of these social terrorists, then we have pretty much lost sight of what social belonging and participation is really about"

medium.com/@julian.vigo/the-culture-of-narcissism-in-an-era-of-identity-politics-gone-awry-e5b568bcf59f

gabrielle that extract is utterly shocking. i am not a vindictive person but i hope when those scrotes grow up they lie in bed at night, struggling to sleep, and replay their misogynist stupidity over and over to themselves. I hope they experience the most almighty feeling of cringing regret that forces them to go out into the world and volunteer their time to do some actual, humble good.

ahh fuck it, i hope the ones that insinuated or threatened sexual violence experience some kind of revived middle ages dick rot disease as well.

Another disturbing thing in the GappyTales blog above is that she says a Goldsmith's Professor was standing with the group and made not the slightest effort to stop them behaving in that aggressive and confrontational way, in fact he used the word T* himself.

This is all so reminiscent of The History Man. No doubt whatever Howard Kirk would have been a TRA.

If you're reading Helen, I'm sorry this happened. We've never met, but I've heard about the stuff you did with McD's and the police spy stuff - you're an inspiration to me. I am youngish and I know a lot of the people who are peddling this hatred towards women like yourself and I am so sorry this is happening and want to offer you my support. If I'd been there (I nearly was!) I would have stood with you.

The stuff about the farmer's field is true. In mitigation they didn't take any dogs with them and did tidy up after themselves, but even so there's a massive difference between wanting 'right to roam' on grouse moors and setting up camp in a farmer's field at a time of year when every blade of grass on that kind of farm is precious.

It doesn't matter who it's owned, by it's a working environment and not a camping area and the only person they had any impact on was the poor tenant farmer, not the landowner who presumably couldn't care less they were camped in a tenants field.

OMG Holbeck is a fucking distaster

That's appalling

I am wondering how these people who are supposed to be adults are still at that stage of life. There are so many of them, it has to be something about how they were raised or their education.

It's quite surprising how many of the young adult ones are public school products. A high expectation of what they're entitled to and what high standards of treatment and care should be provided to them at all times, alongside a thorough knowledge of how to complain and get those providers into trouble if they fail to please, plus a disparaging view of those providers as servants and no real respect or attachment to any adults in their lives is a pattern I've heard public school staff attest to in some of their more challenging charges. It's definitely the world view one sees in TRAs. It's the same kind of behaviour you see in younger children who struggle with social skills and empathy, and freely hit and bite others when displeased or thwarted by them saying the other child deserved it, but become hysterical and outraged if one of their victims ever retaliates.

I loathe them both. I find the extreme tribalism of both sides very troubling and offputting

The far left scare me more. Women Strike and the Land reform people are extreme left wing. No right wing group however would have the sort of very visible online presence that they have. They probably even apply for community grant funding.

The extreme left muddies the issue by throwing around words like "inclusivity", social justice" "equality". They play on the idea that the left might be misguided and impractical but they are fundamentally good- they aren't.

Itdoesn't matter who it's owned, by it's a working environment and not a camping area and the only person they had any impact on was the poor tenant farmer, not the landowner who presumably couldn't care less they were camped in a tenants field

The landowner is every bit as likely to be concerned as the tenant. This comment is just exactly the sort of class warfare these idiots are using.

Firstly, not that it matters, there are many very wealthy and successful tenant farmers. Secondly, the vast majority of landlords are going to be as horrified and angry as their tenants at this behaviour. They don't actually want their land trashed nor their tenants' businesses threatened.

Thirdly any one who has any experience of sheep and lambing knows how vulnerable pregnant ewes are.