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Helen Steel chucked off mass trespass on moors because others felt 'unsafe' to be close to someone with her views

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GabrielleNelson · 14/05/2019 07:00

Helen Steel, for goodness sake. Took on McDonald's and won. Exposed the Met putting undercover police officers into environmental groups and ending up in long-term relationships and fathering children with women members. And now, because she recognises basic biology, stands up for the right of lesbians to be same-sex attracted and has defended others being physically attacked and bullied by people of a different point of view, she is told she makes others feel unsafe and on day three of a mass trespass on the moors she is told to leave the camp so that the terrified people lurking nearby can finally come in without suffering a mental collapse.

@toddyban on Twitter has a thread detailing what happened. A few people left with her. The organisers didn't have the guts to come and tell her themselves.

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hipsterfun · 14/05/2019 09:20

Anarchist groupthink. What a time to be alive.

Tbf, that’s not a new thing.

What is new is this right not to be offended or have one’s feelings hurt because other people don’t share your views. I feel embarrassed for these kids, truly.

Ereshkigal · 14/05/2019 09:21

Beautifully put, Lang.

Seconded.

Popchyk · 14/05/2019 09:22

Glad to hear that some of the people on the camp stood up for her, though.

They are not all deranged.

SophoclesTheFox · 14/05/2019 09:38

True, hipster, it’s always been a bit like that.

I also feel embarrassed for these kids. To be so ill equipped to handle dissent and difference of opinion is a massive social handicap. I was being flip when I asked how they managed to get out of bed in the morning, but seriously, how can you function in the world like this? What would happen if something really kicked off on their march and they faced actual violence?

Such impaired levels of resilience are not just limiting, they’re dangerous.

LassOfFyvie · 14/05/2019 09:39

Especially as there are suggestions on Twitter that the place where they were camping was a field used by a struggling tenant sheep farmer who needed it for his ewes and lambs

If this is correct, everyone , including Helen Steel, has behaved disgracefully. Lambing season can go on to as late as end of June and pregnant sheep can be very vulnerable, particularly if any of these anarchist idiots had dogs with them.

GabrielleNelson · 14/05/2019 09:48

I did wonder about that, Lass. However, I have no way of knowing how true any of it is.

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MoltenLasagne · 14/05/2019 09:55

The Facebook page says not to bring dogs because of ground nesting birds which suggests there weren’t any other livestock around however the picture of the tents looks more like fields than moorland to my eyes.

hipsterfun · 14/05/2019 09:58

To be so ill equipped to handle dissent and difference of opinion is a massive social handicap.

I’m still torn on whether offence-taking is a strategy - offendedness being the ultimate, unchallengeable trump card - or a personal weakness endemic in mollycoddled bourgeois youth who wouldn’t know hardship if it kicked them up the bum.

Popchyk · 14/05/2019 09:59

It is not that these people have hurt feelings or that they feel unsafe, that is just the excuse used in order to target women.

The aim is to silence women.

The means to do that is to orchestrate bullying against them.

In order to orchestrate the bullying, they need an excuse. That's where the hurt feelings and feeling unsafe come from.

Remember Rod Liddle's column in The Times? Where he said transgenderism is utter nonsense and Susie Green should be in jail for child abuse?

Nobody's feelings got hurt over that. Nobody felt unsafe.

R0wantrees · 14/05/2019 10:04

Helen Steel comments & identifies 'some academics' from Women's Strike Assembly as 'architects of the bullying'

twitter.com/helensteel12/status/1128205635164737536

embedded link:
WPUK
'Footage of picket line attack'
We attach footage of intimidation of a woman being violently verbally abused for attending a WPUK meeting in London. This attack took place on International Women’s Day when this sister visited her trade union picket line as an elected national official. Such attacks are wholly unacceptable and represent an attack on women’s rights to assemble and to freely express opinions. (continues)

womansplaceuk.org/footage-of-picket-line-attack/

Helen Steel chucked off mass trespass on moors because others felt 'unsafe' to be close to someone with her views
Helen Steel chucked off mass trespass on moors because others felt 'unsafe' to be close to someone with her views
Helen Steel chucked off mass trespass on moors because others felt 'unsafe' to be close to someone with her views
Orchidoptic · 14/05/2019 10:06

Strong women always make certain people feel unsafe.

stillathing · 14/05/2019 10:06

I wonder if this isn't a clever way of breaking apart resistance movements at a time when they were gaining public sympathy. Didn't extinction rebellion post something vaguely TRA on twitter as well? You have to ask yourself who benefits if huge numbers of people end up feeling alienated from groups such as these.

A few years ago I was told that lots of city boys were joining the Labour Party to vote Corbyn in as they foresaw it would destroy the party. I was proper Corbynista at the time, so was thrilled. Look what happened.

Orchidoptic · 14/05/2019 10:06

Cough certain men cough

theOtherPamAyres · 14/05/2019 10:17

The Land Justice Network have a safe space policy.

www.landjustice.uk/landcamp/safer-spaces-policy/

hipsterfun · 14/05/2019 10:22

For a number of reasons, I have a feeling that ER isn’t the grassroots movement we’re being led to believe it is.

GeordieGenes · 14/05/2019 10:23

If women like Helen are so dangerous, then why do they want to come into women's bathrooms? Confused

SophoclesTheFox · 14/05/2019 10:25

I go back and forth over to what extent the outrage is manufactured or genuinely felt. I think it can be one, both or neither on any given day, and this is helpful in wrong footing and disorienting people, which I agree is the end goal.

hipsterfun · 14/05/2019 10:25

UK’s landowners: This land is a safe space and I feel offended by your protest.

Protestors: Oh, ok. Sorry, bye.

R0wantrees · 14/05/2019 10:30

It is not that these people have hurt feelings or that they feel unsafe, that is just the excuse used in order to target women.

I think this article has relevence:
'Collective narcissism and identity politics: No empathy required.'
April 7, 2019 by leftinnewzealand
(extract)
So lets explore why narcissists are attracted to identity politics and social justice activism in particular. It has been postulated that this arena allows young radicals to indulge their narcissistic urges, enjoying power, support and praise, regardless of their conduct. Their theories and beliefs are absent of any responsibility, the only concern is for their group, as they embark on a journey of hedonistic self-gratification. This insulation from reality rejects any acknowledgement of personal agency and plays out as an overgrown group of kids who have created the rules to feed their self-obsessed, infantile fantasy land. In a cult like fervour they are bound together as a collective, propelled by teenage infused hatred, aimed at all who refuse to agree with their every utterance." (continues)

leftinnewzealand.wordpress.com/2019/04/07/collective-narcissism-and-identity-politics/

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 14/05/2019 10:31

'If women like Helen are so dangerous, then why do they want to come into women's bathrooms? confused'

Well, ideally, the nasty women would be banned from the bathrooms.

Sunkisses · 14/05/2019 11:31

Helen Steel is an absolute legend, and is a woman of the utmost integrity. How dare these "Women's Strike" faux-feminist authoritarians decide to throw her off a protest, and how gutless of the "Land Justice" to allow this to happen. Helen's response is here if you wish to post support for her: twitter.com/helensteel12/status/1128205635164737536

LangCleg · 14/05/2019 11:41

I go back and forth over to what extent the outrage is manufactured or genuinely felt.

Bit of both. Narc injury is sincerely felt. It's still narc injury though.

theOtherPamAyres · 14/05/2019 11:41

I was interested in the Land Justice's process for dealing with breaches of its safe space policy.

There is a meeting every morning to check on participants and whether any improvements need to be made to make the place safe.

When an incident occurs, the complainant is meant to seek advice from the Welcome Tent. The person who has breached the policy is then asked to leave, after a group decision.

It doesn't say anything about excluding people for past behaviour or views outside the confines of the protest.

Land Justice Network needs to update its core values and be honest - that certain statements or views will be treated as transphobic and that anyone who holds such views is not welcome and will be asked to leave.

hipsterfun · 14/05/2019 11:42

Helen is indeed a legend who has, like, actually done stuff and who, to be quite frank, knows what fucking ‘unsafe’ feels like and carries on regardless.

I’m a Twitter refuser but if you’re reading, Helen, solidarity, always Flowers

AnotherLass · 14/05/2019 11:54

I hate conspiracy theories in general but there is no denying that the spycops stuff does show us the extent to which certain authorities/ certain people will go to undermine pretty mild social protest movements. We'd be fools to think it isn't still happening in some form, and the TRA stuff does seem the perfect form for it. I don't know what is going on, but the targeting of Helen Steel is so...i dunno, its poetic or something given her past history.