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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Harry the Owl and others launching high court battle

209 replies

Nephilim1964 · 12/05/2019 10:49

Link to story below

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7018915/Businessman-launches-landmark-High-Court-battle-overhaul-official-rules-hate-crimes.html#comments

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 05/06/2019 19:43

People have as much right to show themselves as racist, bigoted and stupid as i do to condemn and based judgement upon those same people.

Police however shouldn't ignore the law, and make up new laws because their feelings are hurt, they are there to uphold laws, including the right to free speech.

Free speech is written in law, "my feeling are fucking hurt" isn't.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 05/06/2019 19:44

And I doubt your nan talked about "posting" in the 70s

Her Nan was clairvoyant.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 05/06/2019 19:45

Remember, there was no crime here, this wasn't a crime, not even a hate crime, Harry did nothing wrong.

do you not get that?

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 05/06/2019 19:47

Even the ACC you said you 'trusted' admitted it wasn't a crime.....

ZebrasAreBras · 05/06/2019 19:55

You're still conflating actual criminal acts - death threats are a criminal offence - with things that aren't a crime.

I welcome the police investigating crime - I don't want them wasting their time on non-crime.

I keep hearing on the news "our hard-pressed police forces" - yet there seems to be an awful of time for investigation into tripe written on twitter.

theOtherPamAyres · 05/06/2019 20:03

@2boys

I'll hazard an (educated) guess that front-line police officers will welcome the action.

If you've ever been put in the untenable position of 'warning' a blameless individual, exercising their human right to free speech in a way that breaks no laws, then you will know that the guidance on 'hate incidents' was a scandal waiting to happen.

You will also know that once the public lose confidence in the police and see them acting oppressively and foolishly, then the contract of 'policing by consent in the UK' is broken.

For those reasons officers crave clarity and direction. They want the public confidence to be restored.

I think that the Police Federations of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland should chip in some dosh to the action.
(The Federations represent officers up to the rank of Chief Inspector)
After all, police officers will be the main beneficiaries of a judgement either way.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 05/06/2019 20:28

you can never have the right to say, do or post anything offensive

Shit, is this law now? Oh my word. Someone had better get out there and arrest EVERYONE.

GassyAss · 05/06/2019 20:42

Gosh. Is writing with Caps Locks on still a thing? This sounds to be a lot of whataboutery.
Police time is being wasted on non-crimes. When we live in a time when knife crimes are soaring and burglaries are not investigated, why should the police spend time on non-crimes where no laws have been broken?

2BoysandaCairn · 05/06/2019 21:28

Well yes my grandfather did say post, as in posting the numerous poison pen letters or similar letters to national and local newspapers.

I am going, I still support the great cadets, who work voluntarily for Humberside, 3 of the first wave are training to be either officers or PCSO's. My lad and 2 more are at university studying criminology or public service degrees to join or work in similar careers. 5 of wave two are either been evaluated for officer roles or working in civilian support roles.

Or maybe Harry and you lot want our police to return to the good old days, of ignoring DV, not investigating Stephen Lawerence murder, framing Stefan Kiszko.

Finally Humberside police are been sued, so will need to provide legal counsel and if lose no doubt pay 100000's pounds compensation to Mr Owl. When they are already one of worst funded forces in country, are under staffed and in my partner's section have been working 2 people short for 3 years, they update sex Register, criminal records, do PNC, ANPR. All to keep you safe.

I am off, no point wasting my time, I am on 12 hour nights, partner on 12 hour days, both just dropped off/collect cadet son.
By the way instead of throwing money at a rich self centred business man to sue my police force, my kids, partner and I have in last three years ran 4 10k runs, all sponsored. Raising money for local breast cancer groups, homeless and substance abuse charity, local women's centre and finally a group who helps victims of child abuse.
We helped our neighbour collect hundreds of women's clothes and sanitary products in last 3 winters for homeless and poor women.
Kids school has in the 7 years raised 100000 pounds for teenage cancer trust.
I have personally donated hours at local school to help refurbish it. Coached local sports teams for free for both girls and boys, driven the kids around north England to give them a chance to play. Mentored 3 girls into Fe colleges.

But your right people like me don't give a shit about women or anyone else. That's your problem, I should support our aims, but I don't, I despair at them. I bet I done a 100 more practical things to help women then your Hero ever has. including donating food yesterday to the women's centre and our boys old toys to help furnish 2 new safe houses. My partner gave £25 quid out of £33 we had left before pay day, to a charity which provides sanitary towels to girls in care.

Good luck, but you don't have my blessings.
I believe you raised £250000 for Mr Owl, FGS how many women's centres would that fund, rape crisis workers, NSPCC phone handers to save children.
This place is just a middle white class, echo chamber.
I cry at what the charities, I have as a fat 50 old have ran for, could have done with 10% of your £250000. But no you give it to a white privileged man to sue the police, unbelievable.

Ereshkigal · 05/06/2019 21:34

Yes, the police should clearly be able to do whatever they want on the whims of vexatious misogynists and not ever be held accountable Hmm

Popchyk · 05/06/2019 21:37

"Finally Humberside police are been sued, so will need to provide legal counsel and if lose no doubt pay 100000's pounds compensation to Mr Owl. When they are already one of worst funded forces in country, are under staffed and in my partner's section have been working 2 people short for 3 years, they update sex Register, criminal records, do PNC, ANPR. All to keep you safe".

Wouldn't it be better if they stopped investigating non-crimes in the first place then? Since they are so understaffed and underfunded?

None of this would have happened if they hadn't contacted Harry in the first place to "check his thinking".

Humberside Police are the ones who did this; not Harry.

needmorespace · 05/06/2019 21:41

'kin hell 2boys, I don't even know what you are saying anymore.
You just don't seem to get it do you?
What the crowdfunding is for is to raise funds to challenge the police 'right think' that saying anything gender critical is a crime.
You sound very proud of your sons and rightly so, but you cannot tell me that you think it is a good use of your police force's time to pursue people for quite reasonable thoughts. It is completely different from attending scenes of DV or whatever. Of course minority groups need protection. But biological women and their rights need to be protected as well.

Ereshkigal · 05/06/2019 21:43

Wouldn't it be better if they stopped investigating non-crimes in the first place then? Since they are so understaffed and underfunded?

Quite.

ZebrasAreBras · 05/06/2019 21:45

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Needmoresleep · 05/06/2019 21:46

That makes no sense. If the blinkered approach favoured by the West Yorkshire Police is not reined in there will be no womens centres as to deny men access would be 'hate'.

I think it is lovely that your boys are so open minded as to celebrate trans-ideology. However I hope they can understand why this poses such a problem
for women. They may see people like Helen Belcher and Lily Madigan as wonderful examples of womanhood, whokst also representive of the most oppressed and therefore needing police protection from that dreadful 51% of the population. But the police also need the trust, respect and support of ordinary people, the vast majority of whom dont believe this bollocks.

This is nothing to do with whether you work 12 hour shifts or not. If your sons, with all their noble volunteering etc, dont understand why women are furious about being silenced, they may struggle. It to easy to blame people for supporting Farage etc. More difficult to accept that the woke and judgemental are pushing them there.

For other posters, I am pretty certain 2Boys is male. Hence the telling us what we should think.

Popchyk · 05/06/2019 21:48

We all want the same as you, 2boys.

For the police to spend their limited time and resources investigating crimes.

ZebrasAreBras · 05/06/2019 22:00

This place is just a middle white class, echo chamber.

You are quite wrong to make these assumptions.

That is incredibly insulting to the BAME women who post here.

You are incredibly insulting to the women here who have suffered fv and made use of women's charities and shelters.

You are insulting to the many women who work, volunteer, donate and fundraise for women's charities.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 05/06/2019 22:04

I believe you raised £250000 for Mr Owl

No the money went to crowd justice, he didn't get a penny, his story and those of others have been used to highlight policing of expression.
You really don't seem to have even this simplist grasp of what's going on.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 05/06/2019 22:05

You are just insulting to women to be honest.

TirisfalPumpkin · 05/06/2019 22:06

Not just middle class, but middle white class...

I have a lot of respect for the police, which is why I'm supporting Harry's action. I don't believe this thuggish and illiberal ideology reflects the view of the vast majority of officers who would rather be helping people and investigating crimes, rather than made-up non-offences and thoughtcrimes.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 05/06/2019 22:13

And by the way I donated for Margaret Nelson, who wrote a blog about sexing skeletons.
And Kate Scottow who was forcefully arrested and locked in a cell for 7 hours, for no fucking crime!

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 05/06/2019 22:14

You are complicate in those 2boys.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 05/06/2019 22:17

I'm guessing judging people by association only works one way?

LangCleg · 05/06/2019 22:30

Dear goddess, someone's over-egging their pudding.

Shall we all write lists of everything we've ever done to support charity and good causes?

Even if we did, it would have nothing to do with objecting to the police harassing citizens for non-crimes.

Orchidoptic · 05/06/2019 22:43

Apart from being a pants poem mislabelled as a limerick, what was wrong with it? Did it say ‘Die in a fire’, or any of the very disturbing threats which women get that funnily enough the police ignore?