Harry the Owl and others launching high court battle

[Nephilim1964]

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7018915/Businessman-launches-landmark-High-Court-battle-overhaul-official-rules-hate-crimes.html#comments

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Manderleyagain: Spot on. I constantly feel downhearted at the number of people on social media who cannot separate their feelings about a particular individual from the principle involved. It makes me wonder sometimes why we bother sending people to school or university. Surely it's not that difficult to understand that when you have an important principle such as free speech, the principle still applies even when the person exercising it is a complete tosser. I mean, how fucking difficult can it be?

2Boys so you are saying lots of Humberside police officers, support staff and voluntary cadets have spent hours working with local LGBT charities encouraging them to report non-crimes?

Surely it's not that difficult to understand that when you have an important principle such as free speech, the principle still applies even when the person exercising it is a complete tosser. I mean, how fucking difficult can it be?

Exactly. How on earth have people come to think that free speech means speech you agree with and not anything said by someone you don't like?

It's really, really not difficult. Free speech is a principle. It's a specific principle that ignores both the content and the integrity of the person speaking.

lots of brilliant Humberside police officers and support staff, including both my sons who are volunteer cadets, who have spent hours working with local LGBT charities to them to report hate incidents and crimes. Plus local refugees and BAME groups. All thick Harry the owl is a prat.

Hmmm. But not womens' groups. The issue here is that there is direct conflict between changes that Transgender groups want (GRA reform) and single sex protections that women want to retain.

So the police are happy to boast that they spend hours working with some lobby groups, but appear completely uninterested in hearing women's concerns. Police think HarrytheOwl is a prat because he is campaigning for, interalia, women's voices to be heard.

And I suspect that many on this forum will think that male posters who pop up to tell us how women should think and/or spend their money, are prats. There is a lot of work WYP could be doing to help protect vulnerable women and girls on their patch, including in Holbeck, and indeed within the Asian community. But no, they are too busy to hear our concerns. Prats too.

Yup, it may have been a shit poem and HtO may be a dick, who cares?

Doesn't matter. This is an important challenge to establish freedom of speech and our civil liberties. Especially since the organisations I used to support to do exactly those things (Amnesty and Liberty) appear to have been organisationally lobotimised when it comes to this issue.

Thank you, Harry et al.

Hmmm. But not womens' groups.

Says it all, really, doesn't it?

Scrimshaw. Yes liberty and amnesty are really annoying. Especially liberty. They still have aims on their Web site all about how they want to review speech laws in this country, because all the different laws encroach on our right to free speech in unpredictable ways, but in practice they seem to have abandoned it.

Here you go. My eldest was one of the first group of cadets. Only 22 of them. Only 10 boys. Youngest in 3rd wave. Still 65% girls.
Both have been to pride, refugee support groups. Both have been to muslim, sikh, buddist events. They have both spent 36 hours overnight on the night challenge working with kids in care and post care.
Eldest has given up at least 55 days, over 28 months, to work with girls and boys who are on the edge of crime and CSE to get them back into society.
Not surprising neither have been invited to work with women's centres or groups of vunerable women.
But eldest best friend, cadet of the year, and 3 others, ALL GIRLS, have spent as many hours if not more, working with womens groups
But slag off kids who work, free of charge, for at least 3 hours a week, to improve their communities.

Funnily enough, 7 of 11 cadet leaders are female. All are under 30. Because old coppers like Harry, don't want to assist.
But there are brilliant former officers giving up time to support the cadets.

All cadets, wether working with WOMEN'S AID, LOCAL WOMEN'S CENTRE, bame, lbgt and the care kids, report that all say they won't report the likes of Harry or Tommy Robinson or racists, because they don't believe the police take it seriously or care after all they police are white middle class men and women.
Then they meet the cadets and change their minds. Reports go up.
I am proud of my boys, their cadet mates and staff and officers of Humberside.

I look closely at the people I support and fund

I cancelled my Liberty subscription last year over their stance on the GRA, and let them know.

I look closely at the people I support and fund

So do others, especially when they notice abuse of power.

Also my youngest spent 12 hours on a Saturday night. One shout was to a man with issues, who threatened to remove my son willy. He wasn't arrested but helped to find the care he needed.
Two more where to DV cases, one with a pregnant lady, both men arrested. Protection put in place for the ladies. Even the lady who didnt want to press charges , was told seeing the officers had video proof they would prosceute anyway.

Humberside was the first to convict an abuser without the victims consent. But of course Harry and all feminists never publish this do you.
All people, women, lgbt, bame deserve the right to live in peace, without idiots posting offensive limmericks/poems and comments on SM!

posting offensive limmericks/poems and comments on SM

He didn't post it.

Do you think your children have the right to invent laws and enforce them on others behalf?

I saw a very interesting discussion on freedom of expression.
A man saying an old women should be killed for saying a statement he didn't agree with. He didn't think she should have the right to say what she had. Yet the thought he was perfectly within his rights to make comments about killing her!
He's so very woke. He also has a beard.

Isn't it convenient hate speech doesn't cover sex?

Two more where to DV cases, one with a pregnant lady, both men arrested. Protection put in place for the ladies.

What would your son have done if the man said he identified as a woman and his partner kept referring to him as 'he'?

ladies

JFC

Indeed Lang

I'm a copper and you sound as though you're an outsider just repeating what you've heard.

Most cops do not support transgender ideology and 99.9% of straight male officers would never include a TW in their dating pool in a million years. So they can say what they like but the vast majority of cops know exactly what a man and woman are.
It's laughable.

The police really need to be put in their place, of something isn’t a criminal act it is no more a police officer’s business than a plumber’s.

The reason society frowns on vigilantes is that we police have been granted special powers to enforce the law.

If police are to ‘police’ poetry then poets should be permitted to investigate crime.

I like the thought of poetic justice.

2boys - those DV cases you've mentioned are crimes - so yes, the police rightly investigate and charge.

But Harry was investigated for a non-crime - the Officer said so on the phone. That is a waste of police time, and way beyond their remit to "check people's thinking".

And despite your glowing references for Humberside police and your own sons - there have been some horrific cases recently with women murdered by their stalkers, despite having reported them many times. The police failed those women utterly. So it's a bit galling to hear you defend the use of police time ringing people up about poems on twitter.

Ok, which bits of freedom of speech should I support,
Danny Baker's tweet about baby Archie, George Galloways tweet about Liverpool win and Jewish losing, Tommy Robinson's hate speech's, the Muslim's hate speech's over Manchester and London Bridge, the Brexit Party's candidate who threaten rape on Jess Phillips, the right wing nutter who murder Jo Cox, the other one who threatened Rosie Parker. Ann Widdcombe's anti gay views. The Muslims outside a primary school who hate all non straight people.
Maybe the arses who attacked Bridlington police station for supporting pride and wrote death threats to the chief constable and PCC. The delightful people who wrote a letter to lesbians in Hull to tell they where unwelcome and their amazing 2 year old girl should be taken into care. Maybe the idiots who paint Nazi signs on Jewish and WW2 memorials, or the ones who kill Muslims and attack their Mosques.
Or the people who believe white girls deserve to sex slaves.

All free speech.
All I hope rightly condemned.

I was taught in the 1970's when 7, by my grandparents, there is no right to total free speech, yes you can think what you want, but you can never have the right to say, do or post anything offensive.
With freedom comes responsibility, most importantly the need to protect weak, venerable and poorest.

SO WHICH FREEDOM OF SPEECH DO YOU BACK, because I don't support any of the above, so I wonder if you all do!

SO WHICH FREEDOM OF SPEECH DO YOU BACK, because I don't support any of the above, so I wonder if you all do!

I don't support any, but i do agree with their right to say those things.

Do you not understand the concept?

You have the right to condemn what these people say.

With freedom comes responsibility, most importantly the need to protect weak, venerable and poorest.

but not women eh?

but you can never have the right to say, do or post anything offensive.

Don't be silly. There is a line between criminal threats of violence or incitement and saying you don't believe in gender identity ideology. But not to the average transactivist.

And I doubt your nan talked about "posting" in the 70s