WTF Times: 'schoolboys die in cliff fall'

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How about: schoolboys AND THEIR MOTHER are brutally murdered by violent man?

I am so sick of the way this stuff is reported. If murdering your family is a valid response to 'not being able to see a way forward' then why aren't people doing it all the time?
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Has the journalist responded to tweets?

Not so far :(

Has the journalist responded to tweets?

Not so far :(

I remember the thread when this happened (I think. Link isn't working for me right now).
I'm fucking sick and tired of this shit. Every day there's something to be angry about. And with good cause.
RIP to the victims again and god give their poor family strength.

Is it possible to report them to IPSO for breaching the guidelines. Good to see 90% of the comments are saying the same as here.

If the coroner hasn’t ruled that the woman was murdered by her husband, the Times might not be able to state categorically that she has been.

Nope, that doesn't wash when the bbc headline is unambiguous.

If the coroner hasn’t ruled that the woman was murdered by her husband, the Times might not be able to state categorically that she has been.

Coroner ruled they were unlawfully killed!!

Coroner ruled they were unlawfully killed!!

Maybe he didn't explicitly name the killer? But that doesn't seem to have inhibited the BBC's title.

I've just looked again - intending to comment at TOL and can't see the comments. Have they been suspended?

Another aspect I have just noticed is that the article tags are "religion" and "South America".

This compares to their main story on pollution which has tags on Health, Michael Gove, UK politics, air pollution and pollution.

Another aspect I have just noticed is that the article tags are "religion" and "South America".

The comments are now missing from the page.

And I see no mention of the story on the journalist's Twitter feed.

Is it possible to report them to IPSO for breaching the guidelines.
Yes, I did earlier.

Maybe he didn't explicitly name the killer? But that doesn't seem to have inhibited the BBC's title.
WTF, errol? The coroner didn't name the killer when he ruled that Laura, Joaquin and Claudio de Figueira were unlawfully killed?? Of course he did. Last line of the article is “This is a terribly sad case and I think DS Flynn put it very well when he said that Adelino simply could not see a way forward,” Mr Cummings [the coroner] said.

Level up have picked up on it now, I can't imagine they'll let it go so expect the headline, and hopefully the article, to be edited at some point!

My reading is that the killer was heavily implied and perfectly obvious, but perhaps not explicitly named. But that wouldn't imo excuse the times report cf bbc.

This piece was highlighted via the 'best of news' section in the app version ... I had to scroll a long way down the midday web version to find it, wonder where it was earlier?

Level up have picked up on it now
I emailed them this morning about it.

They’ve deleted all the comments and switched off commenting!

Bit not altered the headline or edited the report in any way.

Silence the critics and pretend it’s not happened, that’s the way to do it, right, Mr Punch?

I’ve been reading the Times a lot more recently thanks to Janice Turner and others, so I’m really disappointed by this.

Hugely disappointing response from The Times. They should have removed the article instead of the comments.

My understanding is that it is somewhat more common for fathers to kill families like this, but it's not at all unheard of for women either. There are a variety of reasons but mental illness is a significant one.

A bit more than “somewhat” more common.

Its alarmingly common amongst men, Goose. Ultimate male violence. Significantly rarer for women and usually linked to postnatal psychosis or other genuine mental problems.
Women aren't statistically violent. I don't believe men do this because they lose control, they do it to demonstrate control. Bastards.

Women have killed their children but it's vanishingly rare for a woman to kill her male partner and her children. Family annihilation is a male crime. It's about male belief in ownership of their wives and families, to do with as they will.

The Indpendent article linked upthread describes what is going on in the mind of a man who does this:

"typically escape routes are blocked, and a time chosen when the family are near-at-hand, sleeping or watching TV. Keys are hidden. Those who rush upstairs are pursued. And those who rush downstairs are trapped. Elaborate precautions are taken that a getaway car is not to hand – except for the killer’s use. Also, that killer needs to be faster down the street were one of his intended victims to achieve temporary freedom."

It's an execution. Nobody is to escape.

What the fuck is it with men like this. Take your own life if you must (and it is of course tragic for anyone to even consider such a thing) but your children and wife’s lives are not yours to take. Monsters they truly are.

The police couldn't find 'one specific reason for what happened'.

Allow me to help:

it's MALE VIOLENCE !!!!!

I loathe family annihilators. I think half the time they only commit suicide to avoid retribution for the murders they've committed, because they're fucking cowards.
But yes, it's all about power and control - they have the power to take the lives of the people linked to them, so they do it because they have to be "in control".

Fuck all of that.