WTF Times: 'schoolboys die in cliff fall'

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How about: schoolboys AND THEIR MOTHER are brutally murdered by violent man?

I am so sick of the way this stuff is reported. If murdering your family is a valid response to 'not being able to see a way forward' then why aren't people doing it all the time?
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Who is the journalist responsible for this incompetent reporting?

Am I reading the same article?
I don't see a "why" in the headline.
The mother having 60 stab wounds is mentioned before anythingthing else, under the image which comes before the text.

The headline "School boys die in cliffall with father" is pretty minimising to say the least, but on reading the article it's quite clear he took them down with him. Although it's annoyingly "subtext" a sort of "read between the lines" summary if events. But no one reading it will think oh they fell accidentally.
I do wonder why the chose that heading?

Man brutally murders wife then jumps off cliff with her two children

Is a more accurate headline.

I'm disappointed in the Times

Agree that the quote from the coroner is bad, but disagree that it’s the “root cause” of the crappy reporting.

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The Independent wrote about this aspect of "sympathy" for the family annihilator.

"Finally and disturbingly, if the killer dies during or following his act of family annihilation, could well be set to be pitied rather than blamed: “Poor soul” ; “Must have borne terrible suffering in the Army, at work, as a child...”; “ Moment of madness” ; “Wonderful dad” ; “Not round to put the record straight”, whatever. And this (probably undeserved) taking into account of past misfortune has possibly been orchestrated by the killer long before the act. Maybe letters have been written, certificates displayed, thousands of pounds raised for charity, compensation successfully awarded... anything to perpetuate a story of awful injustice, noble self-abnegation, valid self-sacrifice. Because the killer’s unbelievable – yet curiously tenable – accomplishment is to write the first version of history.
History he has himself fulfilled. History he has himself shaped".

or mother and children murdered by husband and father...

the article absolutely is minimising and dismissive - not just the headline but the words chosen throughout the article. i thought we'dmoved from the 'nice guy'narrative- apparently not.

I really do hate these articles

I remember when a father shot his wife and daughter in my town.

The amount of “he was such a nice guy. Never saw it coming”

The surviving sons have been releasing no ends of articles tell people that their father was actually an abusive controlling dick

The note read: ‘I’m so sorry. I cannot let my children live any more in a world of despair, endless pain and suffering. There is no hope in this life. I cannot find God to get faith and hope.’

He lost his faith in God, so decided to play God instead, by deciding who lives and who dies. "I cannot let my children live any more..." as though it should be his decision whether they should live or die.

The Times seems to be viewing the woman and her children as the man's property.

I just read this m.independent.ie/irish-news/our-nice-guy-father-murdered-our-mother-and-sister-yet-the-media-focused-on-his-suicide-38058754.html the other day and still it goes on.

It almost makes it sound like the wounds found on her had nothing to do with him.

Not at any point does it say he murdered his wife. It says she was killed, as though by an unknown entity. It's a horrific article.

I’m not for a minute defending the article or the journalist responsible, but I wonder if he’s limited by legal considerations in what he’s allowed to say?
If the coroner hasn’t ruled that the woman was murdered by her husband, the Times might not be able to state categorically that she has been. I think they might have just stated the facts of the case and left readers to draw their own (obvious) conclusions.
There is also the possibility that the man was mentally ill. Depression can lead patients to believe that the world is awful, and that their DC would be better off dead. I recall one tragic case locally, where a mother with PND threw herself and her 2 DC in a pushchair off a cliff top. It’s easy to judge, and I agree the man may well have been a misogynist abuser, but he could equally well have been seriously mentally ill. The Times I think is trying to be carefully neutral and reflective in its reporting, which is one of the reasons I subscribe to it.

The mail seem to have no issue reporting it as murder. I appreciate the mail isn't the greatest of publications, but it appears they have stuck to the guidelines here.

The coroner has ruled that they were unlawfully killed, by their father. Why has the Times chosen not to report that?

If the coroner hasn’t ruled that the woman was murdered by her husband, the Times might not be able to state categorically that she has been.

The Times ends with: "He [the coroner] said they been killed unlawfully in a particularly savage and brutal attack and recorded that Mr De Faria had died by suicide."

So The Times had no constraints. I've emailed to complain, anyway.

I don't see a "why" in the headline.
The why is the reason: ie the man had a crisis of faith.

For everyone asking who the journalist is, why don't you click on the link to find out? It only takes a second to find his Twitter name.

I fucked off daily with this misogynistic tripe.

Man murders his wife, drugs his kids and probably pushes them off a cliff, and he’s the one who deserves sympathy? No.

I tweeted Karen Ingala Smith about it earlier and she's just tweeeted The Times.

Make a complaint at www.ipso.co.uk/complain/

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Talk about coincidence

They are who I was talking about

Here are the Level Up guidelines all papers are supposed to have adopted:

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Interesting that the Fail, again, has better reporting. The change of editor really does seem to have made a big difference. I think perhaps it's time to stop apologising for posting Fail links.

Also interesting: the Guardian, increasingly predictably, hasn't even noticed. I really think women should give up entirely with them.

My god, this is horrendous. Those poor, poor kids and their poor mother. My heart breaks.

Agree with previous posters, I thought there had recently been a change that meant these stories couldn't be reported like this?

This is: Man kills his wife and then his children - I can't see how the headline can be anything else.

Family annihilation is not the sole preserve of the man; there have also been cases of women doing this to family members too. This is a societal issue and one we cannot readily put down to some random act of lunacy.

Are there any stats on the ratios?
And it would be interesting to see whether the reporting tend to be similar or not.

The bbc has an accurate title, and doesn't make excuses for the man.

'Birling Gap deaths: Man stabbed wife before killing sons'
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-48199547

I once read a headline, something like lovesick man kills ex-girlfriend. He brutally hit, kicked and stabbed his ex while shouting “say you love me” after she had escaped him. Obviously he was really lovesick and not just an evil, sick and abusive monster .