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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How would you feel about having a male midwide

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Lardlizard · 11/04/2019 09:25

Just interested in the points of view

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deydododatdodontdeydo · 11/04/2019 11:45

I had a male midwife for my first.
I must admit the thing I was most concerned about was large hands!
But, he realised my baby was breech, which none of the female midwifes had done, so I can't really criticise him.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 11/04/2019 11:45

The fact that so many men are falling over themselves atm to argue that female biology is irrelevant and has no significant impact on our lives or experiences, has only hardened my desire not to see a male HCP to be honest.

Cegbee · 11/04/2019 11:47

I'm a doctor and I work a lot on labour wards. The males midwives I've worked with have all been excellent and lovely and I'd be delighted to have any of them look after me.

Smotheroffive · 11/04/2019 11:47

Nope. I am here to support good midwives over bad ones. And to say that what determines a good vs bad midwife is not the presence of a vagina.

Exactly, so why keep saying about great male MWs on this thread.

The whole thread is about there being a sex criteria, and how important that is to many women...do you have a problem with that?

There are good and bad in all trades/professions, that's not under discussion, only their sex is the issue here.

Bluestitch · 11/04/2019 11:48

I agree. There are currently famous male doctors on twitter arguing that the maternal bond doesn't matter to babies (in the name of being progressive of course) and one being very dismissive of motherhood in general. I wouldn't want these erasers of women anywhere near me.

SnowdropsiUnderTrees · 11/04/2019 11:48

My midwife was male. I was not remotely bothered. My main concern was having a caring, empathic, skilled midwife. He was fantastic and if I had the choice I would choose him again.

LittleChristmasMouse · 11/04/2019 11:50

Exactly, so why keep saying about great male MWs on this thread.

Err, where have I said that exactly?

stillathing · 11/04/2019 11:52

absolutely needed the midwives to be female. the reasons are most of the ones you could imagine that i am sick of having to restate in this time where women's rights are being stripped back.

i've had a long but calm labour and a short but intensely painful labour. i wanted to feel what it feels like - partly because of my need to be in control and not at the mercy of somebody else's care (also related to life history) and partly out of interest, to connect with the women that came before me who often laboured without their partners and who had much less of a voice to speak of their experiences.

but to labour like this, for me, required a deep sense of trust and safety so that i could be the female mammal that i needed to be in order to get the babies out.

there were male practitioners involved in other elements of my care but there is something very specific about the role of midwife. they are there with you through all of it. it is a social role - i took my sense of safety from their cues. i outsourced my thinking to them. i followed their instructions. they dealt with my blood and shit and screams..... there is nothing "feminine" about labour.

i am sure there are some male midwives out there who i might have felt able to trust. there are probably some bad female midwives out there. but i make my decision based upon my years of experiencing other humans of both sexes in my educational, personal, social and working life . no female has yet ignored my boundaries or disregarded my bodily autonomy. no female has committed a crime against me. no female health care practitioner has ever ignored my words and carried on doing what i have asked them to stop. females don't tend to talk over me or dismiss my concerns or ignore my knowledge.

it is not progressive to ignore that some men treat women appallingly. or ignore that over 90% of violent and sexual crime is committed by men. if we aren't allowed to know this what hope do we have of changing it?

teyem · 11/04/2019 11:53

I wouldn't have a male midwife. I'm all done with shelving my comfort and sparing men's feelings.

Smotheroffive · 11/04/2019 11:58

Err where have I said that exactly

Ironically, the pp to you! Grin

Pp on here are bigging up the male.MW, but the thread is not about their abilities over and above females.

It's a sex discussion. Why prefer a male at your tail-end over a female.
Having a male can stop labour- anyone care about that...the key reason for their existence in that moment

Smotheroffive · 11/04/2019 12:00

I said mentions of it on this thread ...

LittleChristmasMouse · 11/04/2019 12:00

Smotheroffive

So it wasn't me who said it? So why attribute it to me then?

GregoryPeckingDuck · 11/04/2019 12:02

No. Perfectly happy to have a Male assisting but I would only be comfortable with a primary midwife that was female.

Smotheroffive · 11/04/2019 12:04

I have just cleared that up for you - x-posted

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 11/04/2019 12:04

I'm a sexual assault survivor. I don't like strange men touching my body. I find it frightening and triggering, which is NOT conducive to successful labour. The only man I want near me during birth is DH because he is the only man I trust with my body. I am not the only woman who feels like this. I wouldn't want a MTF transwoman as a midwife either, because they're male.

On the other hand, I've never been sexually assaulted, stalked, harassed or intimidated by a lesbian so I'd be perfectly happy with having one as a midwife.

SleepingSloth · 11/04/2019 12:05

I wouldn't mind a male midwife at all.

I had various female ones, most had bad attitudes, a couple were absolutely lovely.
The male doctors/surgeon/anaesthetist involved in my births were all very kind. When dealing with women's issues, on the whole I've found females medical staff to be quite dismissive and rough. On the whole the male staff have been much kinder, cautious and sympathetic.

I hope one day we do live in a world where having a male midwife isn't an issue for women.

feelingverylazytoday · 11/04/2019 12:05

There is no choice for male patients
Why? Are there no male nurses where you work then?

LittleChristmasMouse · 11/04/2019 12:08

feelingverylazytoday
I gave examples 2 male nurses on a male urology ward.

Ward my dad was in - male medical. No male nurses in the 7 nights he was in.

Mixed ward I was on for 7 nights - no male nurses.

Where was the choice for those male patients?

frenchonion · 11/04/2019 12:09

I didn't have one for my delivery, although I think I'd have been fine with it, but did post traumatic birth of my DD. Of all the maternity staff on the ward, he was the one person that took time, listened and properly helped. I know that was nothing to do with his sex and everything to do with the fact he was simply a great midwife, but had I had him at my delivery I'd have been very happy. Although I totally support choice in this as I understand why people wouldn't want a male midwife.

Ohallright · 11/04/2019 12:10

My male midwife was lovely. I went into hospital early with pre-eclampsia. After the doctors (plus a gaggle of students) came round and discussed me, he bought me a cup of tea and told me what was going on. Luckily I had already read up on it.
The ward was always extraordinarily busy and there were some female midwives who deserved their own circle of hell. He made time to “humanise” his approach to care.

That being said, I do believe that people should have the right to a female midwife. Personally, I would just want a good, caring one.

YoureAMeanOneMrGrinch · 11/04/2019 12:10

I had a male midwife. I was really happy with it, he was great. And I love that my son will know that it was a male midwife, showing him you don't need to conform to stereotypical gender based roles.

Ereshkigal · 11/04/2019 12:11

My problem is having people on this thread calling for only female midwives etc.

Has anyone said that males should be banned from being midwives?

TheGrey1houndSpeaks · 11/04/2019 12:13

Not particularly relevant to the discussion, but it’s interesting that so many posters had better experiences with their male midwives than their female ones.
I certainly did, the two female ones were diabolical, but I don’t suppose it’s a universal thing.

Stuckforthefourthtime · 11/04/2019 12:14

I had a tattooed, well-muscled male midwife for Ds2, he was great, my best of the lot (and with 4 DCs I've seen a lot of midwives!). That said, he was also quite camp and I think that made me feel a lot more comfortable than someone stereotypically masculine.

Smotheroffive · 11/04/2019 12:14

I hope one day we do live in a world where having a male midwife isn't an issue for women

Sadly, thinking this is some.kind of unrealistic utopia, bearing in mind no matter what supports, consequences, changes in policy, govt legislation, the stats remain doggedly static!

Very sad....regardless, still prefer someone who has the same female form!