Mermaids - new statement

[MsMcWoodle]

I can't find a thread that mentions this. Sorry if this has been covered but didn't want it to get lost:
Times Lucy has tried to question Mermaids again - but as usual, they won't be questioned and just put out a statement:
www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/tavistock-complaints-process.html

Mermaids also run active social media accounts eg Twitter & Facebook.

Some parents who are active members of the charity blog & tweet.
Their views & opinions like the CEO, Susie Green are directly or indirectly endorsed by the charity.

Today's Sun:
'TRANS KID SURGE One trans child a week is being given hormone-blocking drugs on the NHS
Critics warn experimental drugs may be irreversible as they warn of effects on young people'

EXCLUSIVE
By Nick McDermott, Health Editor
(extract)
concludes:
"There has been a 430 per cent increase in prescriptions over the past four years.
Critics warn it is “experimental” and side-effects, including bone and sex organ development problems, are irreversible.

Stephanie Davies-Arai, of concerned parents’ group Transgender Trend, said: “It’s not surprising numbers have gone up when children are being taught in school now that they may have been born in the ‘wrong body’.”
www.thesun.co.uk/news/8803213/hormone-blockers-nhs-transgender-rights/

Briefly, just going back to the MLM model of brainwashing, I recall a particularly charismatic groomer actually saying
"people will tell you this is brainwashing, but this is because they don't understand, they don't know, so don't listen to them, listen to us"
It is audacious hiding in plain sight, and makes it very difficult to extricate the vulnerable person from their clutches.
The groomers are clever and always one step ahead.
It is very frustrating and difficult to combat.
Victims lose their friends and support networks, even once they realise it is all a con, they are too ashamed to admit it. They have to keep going because they have committed publicly to the cause. They cannot admit to being wrong. Or acknowledge the fact that they have harmed hundreds of people.

Today's Sun

I found it quite interesting that the Sun said that puberty blockers make it easier for medics to later carry out gender reassignment surgery.

Yes I thought it was the opposite - from Jazz’ story. Mind you, it’s a lot easier in terms of it’s 100% sure if they’ve taken puberty blockers they will have surgery.

Every time this happens (moved to main board) a whole load of people come along and say, we are wrong, it's a fabulous charity, you lot are a banned term, I dont care, why is this shit on the main board, etc etc. Seems plenty of people have no critical thinking skills at all and cannot see that one event happening could very easily lead to worse.

Safeguarding specifically forbids teachers/coaches/adult volunteers from interacting with children in closed groups on line.
Why is Mermaids allowed to ignore this?

How you phrase things is crucial.

As I say there is a clash of concerns here.

If you were to ask a question along the lines of would you be concerned about you child using a closed forum with adults on? , you'd get a very different response to one about would you be concerned about your child being on Mermaids forum?

The same poster could easily be worried about the former but fine about the later precisely because they trot out lines about how they work with the NSPCC. Its a matter of brand trust and regulatory trust.

But those organisations are only ever as good as the practices they follow. Talking about those practices without making reference to particular organisations might be worth it from the point of view that you talk about the actual issue, without hitting the cultural identity barrier that trans represents.

The Sun said that puberty blockers make it easier for medics to later carry out gender reassignment surgery

Prepubescent males don't have "enough to work with" as we saw in Jackie Greens case, Thailand changed the law to make it illegal to work with children so young because it was so difficult and unethical.
Jazz has had multiple surgeries because their first was so bad so The Sun are very wrong.
(Prepubescent women I suppose won't have grown breasts anyway so there's not a lot to remove there idk if prepubescent arms are more malleable for phsloplasty...)

But right, puberty blockers make it far easier to predict you have a patient in waiting for surgery so you can profit forecast on them.

But basically WTAF, stopping a humans puberty fgs why is anyone supporting this.

The Sun said that puberty blockers make it easier for medics to later carry out gender reassignment surgery

For young females this is presumably double mastectomies?

It doesn't make it easier though. Stunted prepubescent penises don't make great neo vaginas - Susie Green acknowledged that herself. If girls had enough tissue, they wouldn't need to cut off half their forearms

But yes, I guess it applies to breast tissue. If it doesn't ever grow, then you won't need a double mastectomy

It doesn't make it easier though

Unless it was a clumsy way of saying that males will "pass" better?

Unless it was a clumsy way of saying that males will "pass" better?

This. I bet it's this.
And there will be a different sort of trans now these people are starting to come of age: will MTFs act as privileged and entitled as late transitioners, if they've grown up being (sort of) treated as girls, without the male bonding of school bike sheds, and without the benefit of the pubertal testosterone boost? No, they won't. But they will need a lot of support.

And the FTMs! Good grief. Heartbreaking.

Lawyers will be falling over themselves.

The key issue here is the impact ingestion of so-called "puberty blockers" have on the brain development of these teenagers. The brain goes through massive changes during puberty and doesn't complete its full development until the mid-twenties so no-one knows what danage is being done in that respect:

www.reference.com/science/age-brain-stop-developing-fcc9a17b5c52f5ef

Does anyone have the article they're referring to?

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/parents-in-revolt-as-councils-issue-schools-with-transgender-toolkits-j2tzk3kq0
All I can see today. Don't think it's this. But no subscription

Here’s a shareToken link. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/parents-in-revolt-as-councils-issue-schools-with-transgender-toolkits-j2tzk3kq0?shareToken=16345f40a7b2d761e03e7cebfef5d967

Humm.. so this is the 3rd weekend where a journalist has approached Mermaids at the end of the week (as if for a big weekend story), Mermaids have issued a public statement and then no story is published.

Seems odd

Have you seen Mail on Sunday today? Sanchez Manning and Julie Bindel piece...

Thread on MoS piece.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3553104-Not-women-only-shelters

My hope is that The Times are working on a major expose which requires cast iron lawyer-proof research.

In the meantime I hope Sanchez Manning in the Mail starts getting the credit she deserves for a number of good, we’ll written articles.

Well Mermaids are clearly concerned about SOMETHING.

And actually every statement in the absence of a story is almost revealing something new by admission of a lack of safeguarding and responsibility taking.

I have written to, and met with my MP, I have written to Penny Mordaunt. I have written to and spoken to a charity that I have supported for years ( who are now letting TW share accommodation with vulnerable female teenagers), I just don't understand why these people don't get it.
If I was really cynical I would think that the current domination of Brexit is the perfect opportunity to get all of this policy change in place under the radar.
After all, nobody in politics is taking much interest in education, health care etc.
I don't usually give any credence to conspiracy theories, but the current situation is so sinister.

I too think there’s a massive exposè coming.
Normally we wouldn’t hear about all the journo questions to an organisation, but as Mermaids are choosing to put their responses on their website, we know they are being scrutinised.

I too think there’s a massive exposè coming

I really hope you’re right.