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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The NSPCC aren't right about this are they?

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Macareaux · 04/04/2019 17:51

Oh wise and knowledgeable women of Mumsnet I don't think the EA2010 does this at all does it? I'm not 100% certain so don't want to wade in.

The NSPCC aren't right about this are they?
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joggerbottom · 04/04/2019 20:06

At 11 I would have felt extremely uncomfortable using the toilets in comprehensive school with male bodies who were 14/15/16 years old. I would have felt the same at 12/13/14/15/16 too.

I know girls (me included) who were assaulted by male pupils during school and I was thankful for segregated toilet blocks. I bet you all know someone too (sadly).

I had lovely friendships with boys who I would have not been intimidated by if they were to use the same toilet block as me, but how I am to presume that other girls would feel the same?

There is surely no way that every school in the country could afford to demolish toilet blocks to install separate toilet cubicles with room for sinks and sanitary bins. So would most schools just change the signs on the doors and hope for the best?

AnyOldPrion · 04/04/2019 20:14

Glad to see the huge number of people objecting. It will be interesting to see whether they retract the Tweet. Not holding my breath...

Ringdonna · 04/04/2019 20:16

GRA is quietly being worked on in background so will be changing.

hellandhairnets · 04/04/2019 20:40

GRA is quietly being worked on in background so will be changing.

It is? In what sense?

Dothehappydance · 04/04/2019 20:51

No the NSPCC are talking shit, as they do about a lot of things.

Agree. The NSPCC are very good at wording things as guidance whilst at the same time making it sound like it is actual law.

VickyEadie · 04/04/2019 20:58

NSPCC getting slaughtered on Twitter, rightly so.

pombear · 04/04/2019 21:01

It begs the question 'who the hell is managing that twitter account'?

And is NSPCC as an organisation really supportive of what they've said in that post?

Because how many posters here, particularly with secondary school-age kids, know of unisex changing rooms?

Be careful NSPCC twitter, you're building your transcastle on the sand. The waves of reality are washing around its foundations.

I'm guessing Unisex changing rooms are not unusual will be a turret extension too far on your castle!

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lionelduty · 04/04/2019 21:25

Please note: the NSPCC is the only UK charity with statutory powers under the Children Act 1989. It can apply for care and supervision orders from the courts for children at risk, by itself, with no supervision by state agencies

Shock I had no idea about that

YouveGotAxes · 04/04/2019 21:27

They’ve responded quickly enough when someone has suggested cancelling their donation. ‘Speak to our supporter team’ [and pay for us to wilfully misinform the public].

SirVixofVixHall · 04/04/2019 21:30

It is unbelievable. Their only job is to safeguard children.

R0wantrees · 04/04/2019 21:31

WPUK 'Mixed sex toilets in schools' article has some useful links:

(extract)
The responsibility of schools in England
Schools must provide separate sex provision for children over 8 as outlined in the Schools Premises Regulations (2012). The guidance is quite clear on this.

In June 2018, the Department of Education reissued guidance from the Department of Education on the responsibilities of school in relation to ‘gender separation’.

Paragraph 13 clearly states:

“It is permissible for toilet and boarding accommodation facilities to be separate as they are captured under existing statutory exceptions. Separate toilet and washing facilities must be provided for boys and girls aged 8 years and over pursuant to Regulation 4 of the School Premises (England) Regulations 2012, which falls within the exemption provided for in Schedule 22 of the Equality Act 2010.” (continues)
womansplaceuk.org/mixed-sex-toilets-ins-chools/

R0wantrees · 04/04/2019 21:37

see also Transgender TRend's March 2018 article, 'Who Is Making Policy For Schools?'
(extract)
Transpire recently forced a school to change its policies in service of this ideology. Under the guise of ‘inclusion’ and ‘integration’ Gina Denham led an aggressive campaign to force a school in Rochford to remove sex-based rights and protections for its female students.

The trans pupil in question has been known by the Transpire group for two years so has presumably been thoroughly conditioned into the belief that he is literally female. As with Lily Madigan at his school in Kent, this one pupil has been afforded the power to change policy affecting all other pupils at the school with the help of a powerful transgender lobby." (continues)

The whole campaign, from start to finish, took 6 days. No time to conduct a proper impact assessment on pupils protected under the protected characteristic ‘sex’ as the school is legally obliged to do before changing policy. How is this not in breach of Equality law? The pupil involved is legally male, not female, and single-sex provisions are lawful under the Equality Act, for reasons of privacy. The example of school facilities used in the Equality and Human Rights Commission Technical Guidance (3.20) does not state that a pupil protected under ‘gender reassignment’ as transsexual should be allowed to use the facilities of the opposite sex:

The way in which school facilities are provided can lead to discrimination. Example: A school fails to provide appropriate changing facilities for a transsexual pupil and insists that the pupil uses the boys’ changing room even though she is now living as a girl. This could be indirect gender reassignment discrimination unless it can be objectively justified. A suitable alternative might be to allow the pupil to use private changing facilities, such as the staff changing room or another suitable space."(continues)

www.transgendertrend.com/who-is-making-policy-for-schools/

FamilyOfAliens · 04/04/2019 21:44

NSPCC has also just produced a resource pack for schools called Agenda, in which they talk about “gender equality” and how this can be achieved in the classroom. It was written in Wales but is aimed at all schools in the UK.

I had to have a lie down after I read their definition of feminism:

“Feminism is a range of political and social movements that share a common goal: to achieve political, economic, personal and social equality for all genders.”

www.egino.cymru/resources/agenda_0319/primary_agenda_en.pdf

OvaHere · 04/04/2019 22:09

“Feminism is a range of political and social movements that share a common goal: to achieve political, economic, personal and social equality for all genders.”

Confused

Think I need some Gin tonight.

Macareaux · 04/04/2019 22:17

Well, 230 replies to the tweet and only one that I can see in support.

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Melroses · 04/04/2019 22:25

Please note: the NSPCC is the only UK charity with statutory powers under the Children Act 1989. It can apply for care and supervision orders from the courts for children at risk, by itself, with no supervision by state agencies

So will they be taking parents to court who don't affirm their child's gender, in the future?

Leavesofgrass · 04/04/2019 22:37

I am somewhat encouraged by the hammering they are getting on Twitter about this.

I will be contacting supporter care tomorrow to cancel my direct debit.

dragoning · 04/04/2019 22:47

Wow, I'm livid. They are supposed to keep children safe and don't know the content of the EA?

The only consolation is that they are getting hauled over the coals on Twitter.

LangCleg · 04/04/2019 22:56

So will they be taking parents to court who don't affirm their child's gender, in the future?

Nothing to stop them trying. Like I say, institutional capture. Whether or not the judiciary would go for it is another matter. That, we don't know.

Macareaux · 04/04/2019 23:07

Their latest tweet, when asked what their response is to 200+ people pointing out they are wrong, is "you've read it".

Surely their social media manager is going to be out of a job on the morning.

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newtlover · 04/04/2019 23:15

hopefully some journalist is reading this
how do we summon them?

OldCrone · 04/04/2019 23:20

hopefully some journalist is reading this
Joani Walsh is on the twitter thread.

BlytheSpiritsSpirit · 04/04/2019 23:21

Joani Walsh is on the thread.

As an aside, why oh why do all these companies seem to let their social media people run their mouths off on Twitter? Surely there should be some oversight before replying? That's the way I would run things!

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