The NSPCC aren't right about this are they?

[Macareaux]

Oh wise and knowledgeable women of Mumsnet I don't think the EA2010 does this at all does it? I'm not 100% certain so don't want to wade in.

I'm absolutely sick to death with the arrogant, dangerous, slippery wankery that is expressed by things like we are committed to safeguarding, we uphold safeguarding policies everywhere.

It's rank jibberish. Words with no meaning, sentences with no commitment.

You can't uphold safeguarding if you refuse to recognise who should be safe and what you're guarding them from. Saying all, every, doesn't recognise patterns. The cornerstone of assessing risk.

They should be stripped of their status, immediately defunded, and a full investigation should be launched. And the people advising them should be prosecuted.

You have to wonder if they are more than superficially aware of Harrop. Getting pally with him seems risky...

Trouble is Datun that the organisations (government etc ) who regulate all this have already been infiltrated by the same creeps determined that women and children will not have access to safeguarding.

This is one hell of a mountain that women have to climb

I agree. Its tendrils are everywhere. Truly.

Which is why, we can't stop. I genuinely believe that there are enough decent people. They just don't know about this yet.

I was chatting to someone in Aus who said they had been aware of it for 20years. It has been a slow but efficient behind the scenes creep, rolled out bit by bit where you can't see it.

Agreed - we can't stop. If we do, it won't be until children are abused in the industrial quantities that Jimmy Savile achieved - and he was aided by the rich and powerful, the government and charities:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/26/jimmy-savile-given-free-rein-to-sexually-abuse-60-people-report-finds

I'm cancelling my standing order today and emailing to tell them why.

As per effing usual, what Datun said.

Of course, the NSPCC conducted some of the interviews with Savile's victims:
www.theguardian.com/media/2014/feb/24/jimmy-savile-victims-nspcc-report

Yet they still see nothing wrong in enabling a group of adults to undermine the safeguarding procedures for children to enable their own desires.

I wish these big organisations would stop getting 18 year old interns to run their social media .

Ruffle sadly it's not just an 18 year old intern. If you follow the links upthread or even just look at the summaries of them, you'll see the problem goes all the way to the top.

Institutional capture in action, as Datun says.

Institutional capture in action, as Datun says.

I didn't say it, it was Lang. She is bloody marvellous at the big picture.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3541908-Regulatory-capture

This is drivel, most schools (all?) have communal changing facilities and they will NOT be unisex in ANY school over a certain age, probably around 8 would be my guess.

The NSPCC indicating it's not unusual for school to have unisex changing facilities is completely bonkers.

Toilets - yes they do - our primary school has "anyone" toilets which have a sink area in middle and open onto corridor. This was done for space saving and to reduce bullying / hiding. Lots of ?? around this for older children (issue mainly for girls as ever) BUT I see this happening.

But changing rooms? No they're making shit up.

Will now RTFT.

fairplayforwomen.com/changing_rooms/

Single sex changing rooms are legal. The NSPCC are talking bolleaux

You can't uphold safeguarding if you refuse to recognise who should be safe and what you're guarding them from.

This. Just seen a TRA arguing on twitter that we should "trust" them that no boys or young men would ever 'pretend to be trans to get in with the girls, etc.

The missing of the point is not accidental - it's done deliberately to gaslight everyone into believing there's no risk and that girls will be fine with no privacy, because these boys/young men are girls.

Oh god, that picture posted by Datun. How can anyone look at that and not have a visceral reaction that says no, this is insane?
Do people seriously want kids to look at that individual and others like it and go, "oh ok, she's just a translady using the women's loos"?

"Do people seriously want kids to look at that individual and others like it and go, "oh ok, she's just a translady using the women's loos"?"

No

They are to think "oh there;s a woman in the women's loos how unremarkable I've not even noticed"

This. Just seen a TRA arguing on twitter that we should "trust" them that no boys or young men would ever 'pretend to be trans to get in with the girls, etc.

Oh just fuck off. Most people wouldn't even attempt this level of idiocy. It's not even gaslighting. That indicates a certain element of subtlety.

He's just lying.

I dont think we are going to win :( Womens rights will just disappear.

Sorry VickyEadie, I hope you know I wasn't telling you to fuck off!!!!

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I dont think we are going to win sad Womens rights will just disappear

They won't. Well it might get worse before it gets better. But they won't.

We are over half the population, and we are now integral to the entire machine.

There are enough people who will not countenance perverts, fetishists, bullies and paedophiles. We just have to make them see.

Trouble is Datun that the organisations (government etc ) who regulate all this have already been infiltrated by the same creeps determined that women and children will not have access to safeguarding.

The school I work at gets inundated with organisations' offers to 'train' staff in LGBT issues. It's a lucrative business. One, poured out blatant lies to schools in its email stating trans people are at risk of increased danger etc.
Another - from the DfE no less - ended with 'my preferred pronouns are'.

Schools are bombarded with lies. To remain inclusive they team up with Stonewall etc. not realising the score.

They are easy targets for those who wish to make £ and/or gain access to children.

Schools are bombarded with lies. To remain inclusive they team up with Stonewall etc. not realising the score.

The reach is huge. I think we all know that.

But.

As soon as Stonewall are forced to answer the question what constitutes homosexuality, they're fucked.

NSPCC will have to account for why their safeguarding doesn't apply if a man says some magic words.

This is all filtering through to the mainstream press.

It's reaching more and more people.

Most people are sick to death of hearing about transgenderism. All the below the line comments are along the lines of stopped shoving this down our throat.

What they don't realise is how it is affecting the actual law. They think it's just custom and noise.

And because it seems like a minefield, they want to tick the boxes, say thanks very much and pack up the meeting.

But slowly, as the effects inexorably occur, more people are finding real life problems with it.

I genuinely believe the balance will tip. Because scandals will keep occurring. Karen White, Jacinta Brooks, these are not one-offs.

This is the text from one such letter from Central Consultants

Working effectively with transgender service users
3 October 2019, Leeds

Feedback from surveys of transgender people suggests that their experiences with public services do not meet their needs or expectations. It is therefore important that service providers are able to think beyond general concepts of equality and diversity to understand the needs of this very complex group.

There has also been a spike in hate crime against trans people, and debate – including within the LGBT community – about how far their rights extend.

Trans people have a gender identity which differs from that of their birth sex, and can take a wide diversity of forms. This complexity is one of the barriers which prevents service providers feeling confident in working with trans people.

Other barriers include insufficient training, a lack of useful guidance, and services which tend to be run along clear gender lines.

Criminal justice services, health, social care, education housing, and leisure services all need a working understanding of issues affecting trans people.

Working effectively with transgender service users is a learning day for all service providers which will offer the opportunity to get a good understanding of:

*what it means to be transgender
*particular issues which may be faced by trans young people and adults

• how services can be made more accessible and relevant to trans people

The facilitator is Aedan Wolton, a health advisor at Chelsea & Westminster Hospital and co-director of cliniQ, a health and wellbeing service for trans people in London. Identifying as trans himself, Aedan will provide a welcoming forum in which participants can feel at ease to ask the difficult questions.

Feedback from the March learning day rated it 100% as good/excellent.

We are starting to market this event early as it sold out last time.

I'm pleased you are positive about it all Datun because I am not. They had a head start while most of us were not looking and now it is ingrained at every level of society.

A whole generation of kids are growing up believing you can choose your sex due to indoctrination at school.