Any insight? Attack on Coron Kraatz

[MsTiggywinkletoyou]

A report of a horrendous attack on a trans 15 year old (identifies as a girl) by a school bully (identified in the article as a girl). I've got no idea what's behind this story - whether Coron was attacked because of gender identity, or other reasons unspecified. The school seems to have provided Coron with a separate changing place; is this standard practice now? Those of you who work with tempestuous young people, how often have you heard of a girl stamping on someone's head?

If I'm reading the story correctly, here is someone not getting access to the girls' changing room, but assaulted anyway. There's probably a lot more behind the scenes that I'm not understanding.

Her mum Suzanne said: "This is the third time that my daughter has been attacked by vicious bullies. This time it took place as she was walking to a special changing room, where she was punched to the ground and kicked in the head so badly that she was left with a boot mark on her head. The girl also pulled clumps of hair out of her head so violently that Coron was left with cuts on her scalp and struggled washing her head for days because of how painful it was. A teacher even told us that if they did not intervene at the right time then it could have been too late, as the girl was stamping down on the temple of her head."
www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/trans-teenager-attacked-violently-school-2718414

What insight are you wanting?

Of course girls have had fights before. With what you have said it looks like alot bullying has been going on. It goes on in schools across the land. Did the school take any measures in the past to stop bullying?

Without a back story it is hard to comment.

Bullies look for people who stand out and thats one reason many teenage girls are desperate to conform. But I think that level of physical attack has moved past 'bullying'.

That has definitely moved from bullying to assault and hopefully the parent/s have got the police involved.

Sounds like a terrible attack and not one anyone here would condone.

In the context of schools girls definitely can be bullies although such vicious physical attacks I would guess are rarer. Not unheard of though -I remember a few unprovoked attacks amongst girls back in my school days.

A couple of years ago there was a pupil stabbed outside the gates of one of our local schools (male on male in this instance). Sadly dealing with violence is something a lot of schools are now on high alert for.

As another poster said we don't have the full background so it's not clear whether the school were derelict in not dealing with the perpetrator sooner or whether this attack took place unexpectedly.

I wasn't expecting anyone here to reveal specific info, and of course bullying is widespread. I asked two questions:
A. is it standard for schools to give students with gender dysphoria their own changing places?
B. have you come across girls stamping (or kicking) their victims' heads?
If you work in schools or with violent youth, it would be nice if you could share insight into these two areas.

A. Don't know, though 'guidance' from interested organisations insists they should change with their identified gender if they wish.

B. I've come across a range of bullying. violence and assaults in my time (almost 40 years) working in and with schools.

If you work in schools or with violent youth, it would be nice if you could share insight into these two areas

Why?

From your posts this looks like you have an agenda that requires us to evidence our thinking.

You are free to do your own research, I know I have worked in lots of schools and each has different ways of managing things. I don't provide evidence to order.

Dh works with young people. Violent females are highly likely to have dysfunctional home lives and an extremely high incidence of being abused. Although the majority of females from dysfunctional backgrounds and/or abuse are not violent against others.

Sounds horrific, I hope the perpetrator is severely dealt with. Unusual that the attacker is a girl (or are they also trans?).
I noticed a nasty one in the news recently where some teenaged boys had set upon a transgender person too.

That is what transphobia looks like (assuming attacks were motivated by the victim's being trans). This is what literal violence means. Shame on those diluting the meaning of the terms by applying them to mildly expressed gender critical thoughts. They're not doing transgender people any service. They've made any data collecting on the subject meaningless because we can't tell if "have you ever experienced transphobia? Y" means someone called them sir in a shop or they've been kicked in the head.

Just to add the violent females also showed extreme degrees of ptsd in 99% of cases. You did ask for insights.

Unless someone knows anyone involved we won't know more than you, just whats in the media (including prick news). I wouldn't condone ANY assaults on a child for whatever reason, but its only in the news because it involves a trans person no doubt.

have you come across girls stamping (or kicking) their victims' heads?

Not that specifically, but the year I started high school, I went to the girls toilets when some bullies were beating up another girl and trying to make her eat a tampon. They broke some of her ribs.
Late seventies.

A. This is what schools should be doing.

B. Yes. If you want a widely available example of B she Georgia from the ‘educating’ series. Think it was Educating Yorkshire.

Just googled, yes it was educating Yorkshire. While googling found this.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2921493/amp/Teacher-starred-TV-Educating-Yorkshire-banned-classroom-life-having-sex-two-former-pupils.html

JFC knew I didn’t like that program

What insight are you wanting?

Yes, I'm not clear what OP is after. It sounds like a a nasty and vicious attack. Unlike the attack on the trans woman in Paris the victim didn't fight back. The opening post is remarkably short on sympathy for the victim.

Are you wanting us to validate the position that violent attacks by girls are rare? They probably are- although when it does happen the level of violence is often horrific. You could have a conversation on that topic without the need to drag in and largely then ignore Coron.

Odd questions being asked. A bit of background reading would offer some answers without dragging a young victim of horrific assault into it.

A teacher even told us that if they did not intervene at the right time then it could have been too late, as the girl was stamping down on the temple of her head

The attacker should certainly have been arrested and potentially charged with attempted murder. Violence in school is all too often overlooked in a way that violence elsewhere wouldn't be.

More details here, Humberside Police now investigating www.google.com/amp/s/www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/police-confirm-investigation-school-attack-2722602.amp

Hard to know if this is accurate, but it suggests Coron was walking through the (girls'?) changing area on the way to another changing area provided for Coron specially.

[Coron] was punched to the ground while walking through the school's changing rooms, on [Coron's] way to a changing room the academy had provided for [Coron]

If that's true that's a possible violation of the girls' right to privacy.
Also this:
Humberside Police have now confirmed that they are investigating the incident, and have acquired video footage and witness statements. A spokesperson said: “We are currently investigating this incident to ascertain the full facts behind it. We have obtained video footage which we are reviewing, and have taken a number of witness statements.
“Safeguarding is in place for both the victim and the suspect who we are speaking with"

Does that imply they have video footage of the changing rooms? Sincerely hope not.

The violence is awful and I condemn it and hope Coron makes a full recovery.
But there are safeguarding questions around this incident that need to be asked, clearly.
What on earth is going on at that school.

I would assume the video footage is another student filming on their phone rather than school CCTV of the changing room.

Does that imply they have video footage of the changing rooms? Sincerely hope not

I would assume the video footage is another student filming on their phone rather than school CCTV of the changing room

Due to smartphones and piss poor safeguarding from schools there is quite a lot of footage shot inside school changing rooms circulating online.

Your post implies that children in our schools are regularly attacked for using opposite-sex changing rooms. We have no data about that, but as the claim is actually that those children are safer in opposite-sex changing rooms, I think this is a rare occurrence. Rare but horrifying and completely unacceptable. I am glad to see the police is now investigating, as this level of violence crosses the threshold to criminal behaviour. If this child was attacked for being trans, this is an example of actual transphobia. If this was ongoing bullying, it may well predate any transition, but it may have been intensified because the child identified as trans. Anything that makes you stand out incenses bullies in my experience. Does this satisfy your request?

Of course. That makes sense.
It seems that the school did provide a changing room for Coron, which would be exactly the right approach to balancing rights in this situation.

It sounds though as if that room required a walk through the communal changing rooms first, which if true completely defeats the object and removes the right to privacy of the girls.
Schools have a duty of care to all students. They've failed Coron.
I hope they respond appropriately to safeguarding issues as a result.