Any insight? Attack on Coron Kraatz

[MsTiggywinkletoyou]

A report of a horrendous attack on a trans 15 year old (identifies as a girl) by a school bully (identified in the article as a girl). I've got no idea what's behind this story - whether Coron was attacked because of gender identity, or other reasons unspecified. The school seems to have provided Coron with a separate changing place; is this standard practice now? Those of you who work with tempestuous young people, how often have you heard of a girl stamping on someone's head?

If I'm reading the story correctly, here is someone not getting access to the girls' changing room, but assaulted anyway. There's probably a lot more behind the scenes that I'm not understanding.

Her mum Suzanne said: "This is the third time that my daughter has been attacked by vicious bullies. This time it took place as she was walking to a special changing room, where she was punched to the ground and kicked in the head so badly that she was left with a boot mark on her head. The girl also pulled clumps of hair out of her head so violently that Coron was left with cuts on her scalp and struggled washing her head for days because of how painful it was. A teacher even told us that if they did not intervene at the right time then it could have been too late, as the girl was stamping down on the temple of her head."
www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/trans-teenager-attacked-violently-school-2718414

ALL children, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, should be safe in schools.

That they aren’t, means that schools in general, and this school in particular, means that safeguarding protocols need to be revisited, regularly.

I’ve menetioned before (once in detail, although I think the thread was deleted due to being started by a GF) that a male friend of mine was murdered, completely at random, by a gang of 6 that included a teenage girl. All of the gang had had significant issues growing up that had not been adequately addressed by social services/schools/youth offending teams etc.

This was back in 99, and I believe that 5/6 have now been released. At least two have been rearrested and imprisoned. 1 will likely never be released (personality disorder - can not adhere to prison rules so will likely never be paroled).

Coron’s awful treatment is almost definitely due to systemic failure, some of which will have been compounded by financial cuts to services/austerity measures.

It is NOT acceptable that Coron be treated in this manner, but to blame Mumsnet/GC feminists is to use Coron as a political pawn. If TRAs are sincere at wanting this kind of violence to be resolved, they need to look at the bigger picture, which is what we are trying to do.

Many of the women posting here have trans identifying/gender questioning children, either in their own families or in their extended families/social networks. The last thing we want is for children to be subjected to violence (or for those growing up in situations that make them likely to inflict violence to not have significant, timely interventions).

Worth considering that one of the linked stories on the local newspaper site is this one: www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/humberside-police-bully-video-assault-2547877

This is not a trans specific issue, and to treat it as such fails ALL children.

Where is the disproportionate coverage? The articles linked are in a local newspaper.

And if you are going to discuss it why not discuss the facts? Why try and make up facts to suit your own agenda?

The first article makes no suggestion that this happened anywhere other than in a corridor. Why are you all dismissing that report and then using a very odd term of phrase "walking through the changing rooms" to mean present in the girls changing rooms?

How do you know the changing rooms weren't actually the boys changing rooms and the attacker followed Coron in?

And why no discussion about the other 2 attacks? They were in public and not in sex segregated spaces.

My friend, Timo’s muder, as reported as a long read in the Guardian Weekend magazine, shortly after the trial, a year after the murder:

www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2000/jun/04/life1.lifemagazine8

Timo’s parents are still living with the consequences of loss, almost 20 years later, but both of them firmly blame the system that failed to intervene and prevent the perpetrators ever reaching this point.

Ooh Vicky I've been wondering who wrote that! I'm off to see if I can download a copy from Gutenberg or the Open Library!

VickyEadie yes excellent suggestion, thank you

Is there a female word equivalent to seminal? Musing...

I once intervened when a gang of teenage girls were attacking two other teenage girls in the street, one of whom was on the ground having her head kicked in by the very violent female ringleader of the gang. It turned out afterwards that the victim had had her skull fractured by the kicking.

Weirdly enough the attack didn't rate a mention in the local papers, even though I imagine if an adult had been attacked in the same way it would have been covered. Maybe people don't care that much about what happens teenage girls.

A great deal of violent bullying goes on in schools. This attack is yet another example of it. I hope the victim will be OK and the school will find ways of protecting them properly.

There's a few deleted comments so I might be behind the curve

Mouse I don't really know what your point is.

I talked about your use of safe earlier but no response and now you are saying:

The first article makes no suggestion that this happened anywhere other than in a corridor

How do you know the changing rooms weren't actually the boys changing rooms and the attacker followed Coron in?

And earlier I’m sure you implied girls change rooms were not safe either.

You seem to be advocating for removal of the perpetrator, saying all areas are unsafe while they are there.

So, what do you want? This is nothing to do with who (it’s only being reported because one of the pupils is trans - fuck I’d have loved to have had this much outrage or notice when I was sexually attacked in school),nothing to do with where, and I do not see what you actually want to happen next.

How would you fix this?

Betty so sorry for what you went through.

There was a little girl beaten to death recently at school. She had been attacked before and the school didn’t protect her.

So yes, girls can be viscious thugs.

GirlDownUnder

I don't see why the discussion isn't about what happened rather than posters trying to argue that it probably happened in the girls changing room, as though that is a reason for it happening.

My point about the boys changing room was simply pointing out that no conclusion can be drawn from the phrase "changing rooms". Some posters are assuming that means girls changing rooms and that Coron shouldn't have been there. Equally it could mean boys changing room and the attacker shouldn't have been there.

Either way, or if you use the first article and assume the attack happened in the corridor, I don't think the location matters. Certainly the location doesn't provide a reason, an excuse or justification for this attack.

And my point about the girls changing room not being safe was that it was the attacker that was unsafe so wherever she was could not be described as a safe space.

Certainly the location doesn't provide a reason, an excuse or justification for this attack.

Nobody is using anything as an excuse or justification. But looking for ways to make everyone safer, includes discussing possible reasons. You don’t have to join in that conversation but endless arguing about what the rest of us can or cannot discuss and the motivations of posters is blimin annoying. You’ve made your point, many many times, do you want to discuss violence in schools now? You’ve really drawn this out arguing of what words other people use and what we can or cannot discuss. I’m sick of it.

Ok you say I don't see why the discussion isn't about what happened

Don't we know what happened?

You've argued all thread about the where. Most everyone else is asking why

What happened is past and passed and everyone here has condemned it.

To stop it happening again we need to know why surely?

I still don't know what you would do to fix this

Shit! Lord that's horrific. Poor child. Devastated parents.

You've argued all thread about the where. Most everyone else is asking why

Again, how can we know?

Possibly it was because Coron is trans. Though the article says she was atfacked twice before she transed.

So maybe it was bullying maybe it was solely based on Coron being trans or a combination.

From how it sounds the school was doing the best to accommodate the needs of all students so what can be done to prevent this? Were there signs that this could happen? Did the attacker have behaviour issues that might have indicated this was likely to happen?

What are your suggestions?

From how it sounds the school was doing the best to accommodate the needs of all students so what can be done to prevent this? Were there signs that this could happen? Did the attacker have behaviour issues that might have indicated this was likely to happen?

Do you think this is the only bully in the whole of the UK?

To stop it happening again we need to know why surely?

Yes. This extends to all school violence because this is not an isolated incidence. Why it happens is the biggest question and this is a cultural issue. There’s many factors that will help to explain the why, in this case and others. If it is partly because they are trans, and they were not properly protected, that’s a big deal and the school has to be held accountable- regardless of whether or not it has also happened outside of school. To ignore the why of school violence is to brush it under the carpet. Simply saying some people are unsafe and should be excluded is not appropriate and will not help. Focusing on single incidents is not an adequate way of dealing with it.

The school is shit at safeguarding is the story here.

Just about the only thing they did correctly was having a separate changing area for Coron.

IF Coron was walking through the girls changing room to get to the individual changing room then the school have adequately failed to safeguard girls.

Nobody should be getting their head stamped on, so the school have failed to safeguard here.

If it’s true that Coron has been subjected to years of bullying then again they have failed to safeguard Coron.

Presumably since the head stamper has now been permanently excluded it wasn’t a first offence so the fact she was unattended for long enough to seriously assault another pupil - safeguarding failure.

If video footage is available from inside a changing room, it was presumably shot on a pupils phone - safeguarding failure.

A child displaying the level of aggression required to stamp on another’s head, child protection issue, what was causing that level of violence should have been dealt with before it got to this level - safeguarding failure.

And finally children who are permanently excluded are very at risk of CSE and being groomed into ‘county lines’ gangs - again safeguarding failure.

The story that the papers should be running is safeguarding failure and the fact that safeguarding failures are endemic in UK schools, then they should be linking that with school funding, MH provision in this country and 8 years of austerity.

I would be interested to know if Bunbury has ever written anything about safeguarding?

For those wondering about the deleted posts, none of them actually contravened talk guidelines at all. They were a slight detail from the topic at hand, but clearly someone's been reporting innocuous posts.

My deleted post referenced someone else's use of the word 'seminal' as in 'seminal works'.

My post was a two liner. It said.

"Is there a female version of the word 'seminal'? Musing." or something similar.

That was all it said.

The post below it by KatvonHostileExtremist was a grin emoji.

That was it. A single grin emoji.

A single grin emoji was deleted, with a reference to 'talk guidelines'.

@MNHQ. PLEASE get a grip.

Presumably since the head stamper has now been permanently excluded it wasn’t a first offence

A serious one off offence is grounds for permanent exclusion.

Video footage may well have been CCTV if it occured in a corridor.

There are too many unknowns that we are just guessing in order to make accusations of failings by the school.