Any insight? Attack on Coron Kraatz

[MsTiggywinkletoyou]

A report of a horrendous attack on a trans 15 year old (identifies as a girl) by a school bully (identified in the article as a girl). I've got no idea what's behind this story - whether Coron was attacked because of gender identity, or other reasons unspecified. The school seems to have provided Coron with a separate changing place; is this standard practice now? Those of you who work with tempestuous young people, how often have you heard of a girl stamping on someone's head?

If I'm reading the story correctly, here is someone not getting access to the girls' changing room, but assaulted anyway. There's probably a lot more behind the scenes that I'm not understanding.

Her mum Suzanne said: "This is the third time that my daughter has been attacked by vicious bullies. This time it took place as she was walking to a special changing room, where she was punched to the ground and kicked in the head so badly that she was left with a boot mark on her head. The girl also pulled clumps of hair out of her head so violently that Coron was left with cuts on her scalp and struggled washing her head for days because of how painful it was. A teacher even told us that if they did not intervene at the right time then it could have been too late, as the girl was stamping down on the temple of her head."
www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/trans-teenager-attacked-violently-school-2718414

Do we know that this assault occured in the girl's changing rooms? 1 article makes no suggestion that it did and the other is at best ambiguous.

It smacks a little of victim blaming tbh. No matter where Coran was, there is no excuse for this.

I blame the attacker and the school.
Not Coron.
Just as I would if a girl had been attacked because the school had made it necessary to walk through the boys' changing room on her way to her own changing room.

This absolutely cuts both ways.

I'm not sure why you think the following phrase is ambiguous, LittleChristmasMouse:
[Coron] was punched to the ground while walking through the school's changing rooms, on her way to a changing room the academy had provided for [Coron]

It makes me wonder if Coron had been asked to get changed in the toilet section of the girl's changing room, for example, although obviously that's just surmising.

It might be falsely reported, but it isn't really ambiguous.

I think it is when you read the first report which makes no mention other than she was going to her changing room.

The walking through the school's changing rooms makes no sense to me - why the plural? To me that means walking past the boys and girls changing rooms, but we're just guessing.

The first report seems clear. Either way, the attacker was at fault.

It looks like this poor child has been serially bullied over a long period, including before they transitioned, according to an article in the Daily Mirror. I would be incandescent with rage if this happened to a child of mine. I despise violence and bullying in any form and there is NEVER any excuse for bullying or violence.

It appears there has been a clear failure in the school’s duty of care to safeguard Coron against potential
Risks and threats. It should not be assumed that teenaged girls are all sweet, nurturing, compliant, caring and able to express themselves in empathetic and conciliatory ways. Why do we assume this when providing alternative arrangements for GNC kids in schools?

In my experience, going back into my own childhood and in my work with young people in the UK and Australia, girls can be aggressive, abusive and violent to each other and to others. I’ve seen some very nasty fights between girls going back 40 years. A speciality at my school was ripping the sleepers out of another girl’s ears. And I don’t mean through the holes!

Yet we still seem to be more outraged when this sort of bullying is perpetrated by females. It is sickening, yes, gross, without a doubt- but we should not be holding girls to a higher standard than anyone else. Because this is a reality in some female spaces for some people. Girls of this age don’t necessarily care about providing safe, secure, genteel spaces more than anyone else.

The responsibility for being somehow more civilised than boys should not be placed on them.

The safety and well-being of this bullied child should have been paramount, given their history of being bullied in the school.

Only the nasty, frankly dangerous piece of work who assaulted Coron knows why she did what she did.

But if it was about Coron’ gender identity, where was the safeguarding for Coron within the school community? If it was about gender then clearly the arrangements for them put them directly in harm’s way.

What was going on in the boys spaces that led to the creation of a special changing area for Coron? Has this been addressed by the school I wonder?

Was it assumed that Coron would be safer in the girls space rather than the boys space? Why isn’t there a standard of behaviour in the school that makes all spaces equally safe for everyone?

I suspect the school needs to work hard on building a culture of acceptance, of conflict resolution, of anger management and clearly, of considering and respecting the boundaries of ALL the children in the school.

Incidents like this don’t happen in a vacuum.

Because this is a reality in some female spaces for some people. Girls of this age don’t necessarily care about providing safe, secure, genteel spaces more than anyone else.

This really chimed with me. Whenever the issue of sex segregated spaces comes up on here, especially within schools, the over riding message is that girls only toilets and changing rooms are safe. As though the only danger comes from boys. Yet the reality is that, for lots of girls, these spaces expose them to harm. It feels like a taboo that no one is allowed to discuss and it feels like it turns the blame for suffering harm in what should have been a "safe" space onto the victim.

1.There is no safe.
2.There is safer.
3.And safest.

3>2>1

That's the order we should strive for.
Safest is better than safer is better than not safe.
And that principle applies to all children.

I felt incredibly sorry for that poor girl and wasn't particularly surprised it was a girl that did it, I remember a couple of very violent girls at school in the 70s.

My sympathy isn't reserved exclusively for girls. I feel sorry for Coron for several reasons, without needing to see Coron as a girl.
It's enough that a child was concussed in an attack to evoke sympathy. The false claim TRAs make that to refuse to ignore people's sex is tantamount to wishing harm on them, is never seen to be more of a lie than in situations like this.
I see Coron's sex perfectly clearly AND can empathise too.
And I can also demand that people learn what contributed to this happening, and steps be taken to prevent a recurrence.

1.There is no safe.
2.There is safer.
3.And safest.

This ^

I guess the point I was trying to make was that there's a regressive stereotypical gender bias in the assumption that adolescent girls' spaces will always be a safe haven for GNC boys. I was trying to say this assumption is bullshit.

Girls should not be required to compensate for boys intolerance to other boys who are GNC. Girls should not be required to police boys behaviour or be a civilising influence. Or provide safe haven by allowing their own needs to be ignored.

It's not OK to simply accept without challenge that Coron was unsafe in the boys facilities and foist them on the girls. Why was the fact that Coron was unsafe in the boys facilities not addressed by the school? If we are not teaching the lessons of acceptance, of sharing spaces, of multiple ways to be male to boys in school, then when? Toxic masculinity hurts men and boys.

Coron has been failed by a lot of people. So has the girl who did this. There are clearly systemic issues here impacting all the students at this school.There are multiple adults in this situation who did not protect that child long before it got to this.

(Incidentally my view is that in the vast majority of cases, men are more of a risk to women than other women, but that's not what this post is about).

I guess the point I was trying to make was that there's a regressive stereotypical gender bias in the assumption that adolescent girls' spaces will always be a safe haven for GNC boys.

But we have no reason to think that Coron was in the girls space. She was given her own separate room to change in. One report has provided a strange report that make it difficult to understand the location of this changing room.

I think what we can be certain about is that the perpetrator of this attack is not a safe person to be around and her presence in any space makes that space unsafe.

Female spaces aren't safe in my opinion just because men are excluded. They might be safer but they are not safe.

They might be safer but they are not safe.

There is no might about it, they are safer for girls and women than mixed sex spaces. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact.
We separate based on sex not just for safety, but for comfort.

I am as sorry for this young person as I am for all the other thousands of young people attacked at school. I am frustrated this gets more attention than all the others, including the sexual assaults that happen.

JessicaWakefieldSVH

Then call them "safer spaces". Why are they repeatedly referred to as a safe space?

I can't for one minute believe that anyone capable of stamping on another human being's head has made any space safe by being present in it.

You’re taking one example, that we don’t know even happened in a female space and using that for a separate agenda to try and prove that female bathrooms & changing rooms are not technically ‘safe’. Attacks rarely happen in women’s spaces and are referred to as ‘safe’ because women feel safe in them, away from males. To be this nit picky over safe or safer, while actual males are calling themselves women, is kind of strange.

Sorry. Girls toilets and changing rooms are not safe spaces. They are safer spaces.

I doubt that many girls felt safe being in a space shared by a person capable of stamping on someone's head.

Tell you what. You call them what you like, other women will refer to them as they like. Using rare examples to dictate how other women refer to their spaces, is pointless and a waste of time. It’s a bit like people nitpicking when women talk about domestic violence and women’s safety with... but women are violent too. No situation is 100% safe. Most women feel safe in women’s spaces.

Sex separated spaces are the safest option.

I was bullied at school by a girl, but never by boys. But I have also been sexually assaulted on multiple occasions, always by men, but never by women.

I completely agree with JessicaWakefield on this.

In my original post I was specifically addressing the notion of moving GNC boys into girls spaces IN SCHOOLS , on the assumption that these spaces are safer for GNC BOYS. This is outsourcing responsibility for that kid's safety to the girls and it's sexist and foolish and unfair.

I'm talking specifically about adolescent behaviour. I'm talking about a controlled environment where adults should be managing an individual child's vulnerabilities appropriately.

I'm talking about a learning environment where there are clear opportunities for problematic behaviours from both sexes to be addressed. The perpetrator in this case clearly has some very serious issues. It appears that the GNC child was put in harms way because of a sexist assumption around what is expected of girls.

I feel like my point has been re-purposed to make an argument that women are as unsafe from attack from other women as they are from men and that is the complete opposite of my view.

It appears that the GNC child was put in harms way because of a sexist assumption around what is expected of girls.

But we really don't know this to be the case. The second article doesn't make very much sense as regards the location of the individual changing room, certainly it doesn't say that the individual changing room was situated within the girls changing room.

The first article makes it seem that the individual changing room was separate to either the boys or girls changing room.

But we really don't know this to be the case.

Well of course we do.

GNC boys assume they should be girls based on outdated concepts of "gender roles." This is not the case. Humans are male or female biologically - everything else is personality or indoctrination of trans-ideology.

I wholeheartedly condemn any violence against Coron, but the fact remains Coron remains male, as Coron was born. Coron can still have long hair, and wear dresses, but Coron is not female.

The sooner we can dismiss this delusion that human beings can change sex, or need to, the better.

ZebrasAreBras

I'm not sure that I understand the point you are making?

LittleChristmasMouse

No, I didn't think you would. Never mind. Keep on reading around the subject.

But why does Coron being trans have any bearing on the attack? Are you saying that being trans is a reason to have your head stamped on?

I think any person willing to do that to another human is just looking for an excuse. If it hadn't been because Coron was trans it would be another reason.

But why does Coron being trans have any bearing on the attack?

I don't know. TRAs are saying that. Afaik, we've not been made aware of the motivation.

Are you saying that being trans is a reason to have your head stamped on?

No - as I said, I condemn any violence against Coron - as I would anyone.

I'm talking about the ideology that is telling Coron that Cron can change sex, and be a girl. It is a flawed ideology. Cron is a male. Ideology shouldn't tell Coron that Coron can change sex - Coron can't.