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Good things that happen when you wear an "Adult Human Female" hoodie

230 replies

Candidpeel · 30/03/2019 23:25

I live in mine when I'm not at work....

Mainly get smiles from older women and glares from blue haired teenagers.

Wore it on the Brexit March and "like your jumper" worked as a secret handshake to find a new member for our local GC meet-up group

Answered the door to a council election candidate in it today and had a great conversation about what the gender critical grown ups are trying to do to bring the Green party to its senses.

I haven't yet bumped into another hoodie wearer in the wild :)

What has happened to you when you wear yours?

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OccasionalKite · 31/03/2019 02:00

Given that people have actually been approached by actual UK police officers, for saying that transwomen are not women - it's not a laughing matter, when people are threatened in this way.

OccasionalKite · 31/03/2019 02:01

Given that people have actually been approached by actual UK police officers, for saying that transwomen are not women - it's not a laughing matter, when people are threatened in this way.

OccasionalKite · 31/03/2019 02:01

Given that people have actually been approached and threatened by actual UK police officers, for saying that transwomen are not women - it's not a laughing matter, when people are threatened in this way.

OccasionalKite · 31/03/2019 02:03

Terribly embarrassed about triple post, my wi-fi playing up!

pombear · 31/03/2019 02:04

my last message was to the elusive Guitar by the way.
Even though they've posted and run! We still try, Guitar, to engage and talk. Even when you post and run!

pombear · 31/03/2019 02:19

Hey Kite better to say it thrice than not at all!

Night all (and night to our 'plopper' who seems to have posted and run away)

I'lljust keep on keeping on, walkikng alongside the anarchist sweartshirt wearer Smile Your interjection about eye-rolling hasn't given me any information to change my mind yet. But do come back and help me understand the issue from your point of view.

BlueskysandWind · 31/03/2019 02:21

I'd guess guitargeek can't answer right now. He probably working on the tricky bit of Wonderwall.

GuitarGeek · 31/03/2019 02:35

Post and run? No, just looking after very poorly child at the same time as posting.

He probably working on the tricky bit of Wonderwall

This is what puts off people posting. Someone doesn't agree with the hoodie wearing so they get accused of running away if they don't post back straight away and then a comment saying 'he'. I'm definitely a woman, born female but apparently a woman couldn't disagree with you. I haven't said the definition isn't correct, just that I don't think a hoodie is the way to get your point across.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 31/03/2019 02:59

I live in mine most weekends too. It’s incredibly comfortable & has that wonderful pocket.

TransposersArePosers · 31/03/2019 04:31

GuitarGeek I have one. It's very comfy and I bought it to support the Standing For Women campaign (I have also donated to WPUK and FPFW)

The thing for me is that on the odd occasions that I have worn it in public - IWD being one such occasion - I have noticed that people do clock what it says. Whether they realise that it is from the same stable as the Liverpool billboard or not I don't know. But I am hoping that eventually someone will ask me why I feel the need to state the bleeding obvious, which would open a discussion.

It alarms me at how few people know what is going on, but once your eyes are open the misogyny is everywhere!

Fridasrage · 31/03/2019 05:54

So disingenuous of people saying "Oh, i'm so confused, why on earth would a simple definition be considered offensive?!"

The whole point of wearing the hoodie is to communicate that you don't consider trans women to be women.

Whether you personally find it offensive or not, you clearly understand that some people will find it offensive Hmm

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 31/03/2019 06:29

Fridasrage agree 100%. If you’re going to wear the hoodie, at least own what it’s saying. It’s saying trans women are not women so the people who think they are will obviously be offended.

Personally I don’t think this is very helpful. I also have extreme misgivings about the creator of these hoodies. I do agree that there is a class of people who are born with female bodies and require protection as a result. I would never wear an adult human female hoodie though.

I also agree with GuitarGeek that jumping on people for the slightest disagreement is unhelpful, as is labelling them men.

HappyPunky · 31/03/2019 06:36

Frida, I find it offensive that people say transwomen are women.

Most of the people who say they are know very well that they are not. If they thought they were women they would treat them like they treat women. One group believes that a feminine soul makes the body female and the other group doesn't. Which group gets death threats?

They don't come across as especially feminine anyway the way they carry on. Shouldn't they be sitting quietly cross stitching or something? We need a checklist because not everyone can see the gender identity of another person's soul.

sackrifice · 31/03/2019 06:38

The whole point of wearing the hoodie is to communicate that you don't consider trans women to be women

If trans women were women then they wouldn't find the dictionary definition offensive surely?

Or are you saying that they aren't? Because trans women are not adult human females?

I'm which case you sound like the person with transphobia.

Weird that.

GabrielleNelson · 31/03/2019 06:48

Why will they obviously be offended? If I were to say 'The earth is round' in the presence of a flat earther should they be offended? Transwomen aren't women. That's a statement of biological fact, not a political belief. How we can have reached a point where this needs to be said, let alone justified, baffles me.

axil · 31/03/2019 07:25

Stating women are not biologically male does not mean you're afraid or hateful of anybody. It just means you understand basic biology.

aprarl · 31/03/2019 07:31

If it wasn't offensive then we wouldn't need the shirts.

I agree that it shouldn't be, but we are where we are.

Fridasrage · 31/03/2019 07:40

@Happypunky well, if that's how you feel, that's how you feel. The rest of your comment isn't really relevant to what i said. My comment wasn't about whether trans women are women. If someone has purchased an 'Adult human female' hoodie, they know enough about trans issues to be aware that some people will find it offensive. I'm saying its disingenuous and silly to pretend that you're confused about why people are offended.

@sackrifice I'm not wading into whether TWIW or not. In any debate over terminology and symbols, how these have been used in the past is always relevant context. AHF carries the message that trans women aren't women, which of course trans women will find offensive, because they identify as women.

@GabrielleNelson Trans women believe that they are women and are offended by people saying that they aren't, hence why some will find the hoodie offensive. If the statement was purely a biological fact and had no political intent behind it, there would be no need or desire to put it on a hoodie. I don't really think that does baffle you - at least it shouldn't.

@axil if it's just basic biology and there's literally no other message there, why go to the effort of putting it on a hoodie? come on.

@Funkyfunkybeat12 Exactly. People should just own their shit

CountFosco · 31/03/2019 07:46

I haven't said the definition isn't correct, just that I don't think a hoodie is the way to get your point across

People have been using clothing to get across political statements for generations. Many of us on here will remember Katharine Hamnett's slogan Tees in the 1980s but the suffragettes wore clothing in the suffragette colours and particularly in white to create a visual point.

donquixotedelamancha · 31/03/2019 07:51

The whole point of wearing the hoodie is to communicate that you don't consider trans women to be women.

I think the point is that transwomen are not female. Not biological women.

It is not saying they can't be treated as women in many situations. It is not saying transwomen should be mistreated in any way. Just that some situations need to acknowledge reality and that women have a right to draw those boundaries.

To the vast majority this really is uncontroversial.

HappyPunky · 31/03/2019 07:51

Frida - if they're offended by a dictionary definition then that's how they feel.

Ereshkigal · 31/03/2019 07:52

Being offended by reality is a tough position to be in. But not one to pander to.

Ereshkigal · 31/03/2019 07:54

I think it's very important that the statement does get made, and that people aren't afraid to make it, or think it's illegal.

Fridasrage · 31/03/2019 08:00

@HappyPunky i don't think we're disagreeing there.

knitandpearl · 31/03/2019 08:01

I agree fridasrage . It's purely there to be goady. I'm GC but think there are better ways to come to agreement than this. Just because prominent TRAs are goady on Twitter doesn't mean that's the way to go, and there are still 'genuine' transwomen trying to live their lives that could be made miserable by this.