Times article on transgender athletes; Alex Kay Jelski

[MrsSnippyPants]

Getting his arse handed to him on Twitter. Does anyone have a share token?

Skiving off work to look properly through the comments under the article:

I just looked you up, it appears you are an 'LBGT parent' - does this mean you knew full well what female meant when you rented a poor woman's womb then took a baby away from its mother? Did you know surrogates are often trafficked women, bought and sold by the same pimps trafficking women into sexual slavery?

Still up after 4 hours. Blimey.

Nauticant there's a few similar comments on twitter. I've noticed quite a few vocal gay parents aligning themselves against women on the trans issue. They need to be careful not to kill off the golden baby laying goose.

Stonewall's new Head of Media is fully supportive of Alex Kay Jelski / Alex Kay Jelski's article (?)

(& Linda Riley approves)

I've noticed quite a few vocal gay parents aligning themselves against women on the trans issue.

It seems apparent there is an overlap in the lobby structues/ methods with regards attempting to change UK surrogacy laws.

The responses are fantastic I’m just going through them and seem to be recommending them all.

Yes isn't it interesting R0? I mean I'm a member of several charitable organisations that support parents in my specific situation. I give them money, they don't give me money.

I wonder how many lesbian parent groups have thought of asking Stonewall for cash?

So entitled these men aren't they?

It's like misogynist bingo on there

In answer to Anthony Watson (tweet above), "Did The Times publish a sensible, reasonable balanced article on transgender athletes?"

Its a clear 'no' not today, not this one.

HTH

I wonder how many lesbian parent groups have thought of asking Stonewall for cash?

Orchid They may well run into difficulties straight away though. Lesbian parent groups may hope to be for Lesbians (adult human females)

Its the joy of being a gay man seeking Stonewall support for 'surrogacy issues', he & his partner can set up LGBT+ group.

Another man mansplaining women to women (or rather their keepers).

What a tosser.

What a tosser.

I'll see your tosser and raise you racist, antisemitic, misogynistic weapons grade bellend

Quite

It seems apparent there is an overlap in the lobby structues/ methods with regards attempting to change UK surrogacy laws.

Yes, unfortunately a few of us have seen this coming for a while.

I expect palms have been greased, metaphorically speaking, and in the not so distant future we are going to see an assault on the stringent laws much of Europe has around surrogacy ethics.

In return for the time and effort woke gay bro's are putting in propping up transactivism the TRA machine will throw their wealth and influence behind making it easier to exploit women's reproductive labour.

I might have missed it, but he doesn't even bother to defend himself from the accusation of sexism. I suspect he is perfectly aware, and doesn't care.

As you're all following and I don't do Twitter.

Surrogacy has been rehashed over and over again on FWR since it began basically. Because it's abusive. Grow your own womb.

twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1111220302242086912

"They fill our football and cricket and netball teams. Why would that be bad? Really?"

Liew is the sports editor, what a disgusting POS!

Prior sounds somewhat weary about the enormity of the self-set task of policing mums and other women on the Internet - further down the thread.

What a twerp.

Ineedacupofteadesperately

"almost certain harm to any female child born of that surrogate."

Your comment sent a shiver down my spine, because it made me think of this awful case last year.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6018673/Social-services-chief-apologises-birth-family-baby-girl-killed-gay-adoptive-fathe.html

"Just a bunch of mums who shouldn't have opinions"

But also "need to be stalked and the data analysed"

Katvonfeelz I see that among the tweets you've screengrabbed, there's the usual attempt to conflate homophobia with not wanting men in your changing room: "Oh noes. Gays in the locker room. Whatever shall we do?"

I've played on numerous teams with many gay women, been out on socials with them. No issue whatsoever showering next to a woman who happens to be a lesbian. Because in my experience it is vanishingly rare for another woman, be she straight or gay, to be a sexual abuser. I do not want to shower next to strangers in possession of penises. Because a non-negligible percentage of strangers with penises (or as we used to call them when I were a lass, men) are sexual abusers. And they're bigger and stronger than me.

sounds somewhat weary about the enormity of the self-set task of policing mums and other women on the Internet - further down the thread

A couple of representatives from the self-idetified TRA FWR self-identified monitoring group were interviewed for Vice article:

By Eve Livingston
Dec 6 2018,
'How an Online Forum for Moms Became a Toxic Hotbed of Transphobia'
(extract)
"a trans woman who is part of a sizable trans community that monitors and discusses Mumsnet regularly. “The whole of the Feminism board was like a spectre hanging over the daily trans discourse.” (continues)

“It’s a core group of a few hundred hardcore trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), a tiny percentage of overall users,” says Christine, the mother of a trans child and also part of the network that regularly monitors Mumsnet. (Christine’s name has been changed for privacy reasons.) “Yet the Feminism board is just 90 percent discussions about trans people on any given day.” (continues)

[[https://broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism]]

apologies for scrambing link:
broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

andyoldlabour that is so upsetting. poor sweet little girl.

I wonder if there is a hesitance for social services and medical professionals to see the red flags was because of the sexist idea that men are heros and amazing parents for simply changing a nappy or doing anything else taken for granted as 'women's work'.

God I am so tired of stupid people using examples of segregation from the past to justify TRA nonsense. It's so dim-witted and willfully blind to the vulnerabilities of female biology.

And it's always men who advance this argument because they have no problem in seeing the vulnerabilities of male-bodied transwomen because they have empathy with male-born people but they overlook the vulnerabilities of women because they can't imagine themselves in the place of a woman socially and ultimately despise us, unless they need to rent a womb for surrogacy. It's pure misogyny in the most rank blatant sense of the word. Total disdain for women unless our bodies can be exploited for their benefit.