This Morning and Katie Yeomans

[TheGodmother]

Have a look at the comments on their Facebook page! Trans peak?

www.facebook.com/81985202121/posts/10157319027642122?sfns=mo

And yes the use of the term 'girls' for middle aged transwomen is also something I find offensive. Also quite telling about their motivations. I haven't called myself a girl for at least 20 years (ok, ok, more like 30).

Do you think one day we will look back on this and laugh at the ridiculousness of this time?

I am surprised Katie did not change her surname at the same time.

Do you think one day we will look back on this and laugh at the ridiculousness of this time?

Only after all of the safeguarding, duty of care failures, political failings, investigations into media coverage, sports, NHS, prisons, Social Care, education, judiciary, civil service, lobbying etc has been dealt with & vulnerable children and adult supported.

Rocky, I enjoyed it too!

This Morning chose which horse they wanted to back a year or more ago, and it wasn't the one representing women (52% of the population and a significantly bigger majority of their audience.) Having sneered at, belittled and misrepresented women's concerns it seems they might be waking up to the fact that their horse is actually a 3 legged donkey with a blow-up doll in the saddle, and the rest of the sane world is now galloping past them.

Poor 'self-identified nice guy' Schofield. You can see realisation dawning.

This Morning treatment by Eamon Holmes & Ruth Langsford of Posie Parker in contrast with their clear support for India Willoughby was striking (& shockingly sexist).

September 2018

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3377753-Posie-on-This-Morning

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3378559-To-ask-you-all-to-tune-in-to-This-Morning

Oh dear God, I have now remembered why I don’t watch Morning TV.

Phil and ?Holly, making those pathetic sad, supportive faces. And Katie has a voice like gravel, deeper than Phil. Why did we need to have a whole lifestory? Do you think it was because there was totally insufficient material to make a piece out of this?

Poor bloody train staff, if it isn’t enough to have to work for and put up with all the complaints about Southern Fail, they have to deal with this shit too. Can you imagine what it must be like to work in the ticket office at Brighton? The staff must be specialist non pronoun user speakers.

Oh dear God, I have now remembered why I don’t watch Morning TV.

I felt like that after the Posie incident! I tried to watch the clip of this and I. Just. Couldn’t.

Repeal. I didn’t feel quite so strongly about the Posie interview, because I was star struck just watching Posie 😍. Strangely Katie didn’t have the same effect!

I feel so sorry for those in public-facing roles, who are being used by people like this to give validation and/or a kick.

Exerting manipulative pressure on staff like this is horrible bullying. It's actually an abusive dynamic, I would say. Forcing compliance, threatening punishment, gaslighting to the nth degree.

I really hope that the rail service provides good back up and support to the staff.

Customer service staff would be well within their rights to address everyone as "person". They could have little signs up explaining why. That would peak trans a couple of million with wonderful rapidity.

I asked my 4 year old if it was a man or a woman. She said straight away 'it's a man! But he looks quite girlish'.

(Watching the video)

I really hope that the rail service provides good back up and support to the staff.

In the Daily Mail article covering,

"A Southern Rail spokesman said: 'We have looked into this thoroughly and dispute what has been claimed.

'However with investigations ongoing it would be inappropriate to make any further comment on this particular case.

'We promote diversity within the organisation and across the rail industry.

'We have a popular, active LGBTQ+ community at Southern and Govia Thameslink Railway and are vocal champions of employees who identify as such, celebrating them both internally and in the media.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6812641/Transgender-woman-demands-apology-2-500-compensation-Southern-staff-call-sir-twice.html

Katie joins us to argue why more needs to be done for transgender equality.

How is this about equality? It's reality. We all have to deal with it.

This Guardian article from 2004 was linked on another thread www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/31/health.socialcare
I was struck by these wise words from 'Claudia':
"human life is made up of connecting, not passing"

"Before her sex change, Claudia enjoyed success as a singer, performing at the Hippodrome and supporting Marc Almond. With her billowing brunette tresses streaked with grey, she still conveys the glamour of her old publicity shots. But she has lost the confidence to face an audience. Passing as a born woman is little help when dealing with prejudice, she says.
My psychiatrist told me, you look great, you can pass. I've come to realise that human life is made up of connecting, not passing. I can 'pass' in a shop, I can 'pass' on the street. But when you tell a man your background, if you're lucky he'll walk away. Nothing can prepare you for that. I feel notorious in any group. You can say you're Napoleon but unless the whole world agrees with you, you patently are not Napoleon. I'm not a woman, I'm a thing - a chimera. As I move into my middle years, I'm genuinely worried that I just don't fit anywhere."

*Katie joins us to argue why more needs to be done for transgender equality validate TRAs' delusions.

I'm confused - not in UK. Does Katie declare they are a sexually motivated cross dresser? Would a sexually motivated cross dresser have been interviewed for such a matter fifteen years ago? Acceptance without exception? So this is a men's sexual rights movement?

So this is a men's sexual rights movement?

As described by Sheila Jeffries at the first 'We Need To Talk' meeting (which followed Maria Machlaclan being assaulted by male TRAs at Speakers' Corner)

This person has the voice, face and manner of a man. So what can you do.

I'm not surprised she was mistaken for a man.

Much ado about nothing

Omg the fawning "we're all learning, quite rightly so..."

You're being groomed Phil.

Was this person asked what a man in a frock (ie the stag do example) should be termed?

You're being groomed Phil.

Having watched the clip, I actually think Phil S is being as disingenuous as all hell (for whatever reason) and knows perfectly well this is all bollox.

Fancy dress party?
It had never occurred to you before a fancy dress party in your 60s?
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Right...........

Thought Rose of Dawn good on this. I don't think people should be blamed for genuine mistake. Voice is very important.