This Morning and Katie Yeomans

[TheGodmother]

Have a look at the comments on their Facebook page! Trans peak?

www.facebook.com/81985202121/posts/10157319027642122?sfns=mo

Oh those comments on FB have restored my faith in humanity. My favourite was "Let it go to court. The DNA evidence will sort it out" :) It's INSANE that someone correctly sexing someone else should be compelled to retract that truth, pay compensation or be interviewed by police. Even if you did accidentally mis-sex someone, so what? No-one died. How many women have been called Mr on letters etc? Hundreds of thousands.

I think bloody KY should be reported to the police for rank misogyny - assuming that wearing 'blush pink' signifies 'woman' is so fucking outrageously offensive to me. No, shedding your uterine lining every month (between the ages of 10ish and 50ish) and having a range of primary and secondary female sexual characteristics (breasts, ovaries, vagina, the hormone profile of a female etc) signifies woman. This is SO offensive to actual women. Now where's my 2500 pounds?

I think bloody KY should be reported to the police for rank misogyny - assuming that wearing 'blush pink' signifies 'woman' is so fucking outrageously offensive to me. No

It really is rank misogyny yet so many appear to be so dazzled by the brave and stunning that they can't see it.

I don't think I own pink anything. I guess I'm not a woman, then.

Anyone who thinks what colour you’re wearing denotes whether you’re male or female is the worst kind of chauvinist, and a liar.

I don't think I own pink anything. I guess I'm not a woman, then I don't think I could even identify blush pink in a line up. Should I hand back my vagina now?

My dear Dad who is very much a blokey-chap favours a pink shirt. I suspect he has more pink in his wardrobe than I do!

Hah, Garth!

I had my uterus evicted several years ago for anti-social behaviour but there is no way I am giving up my vagina.

The biggest problem Katie has in these scenarios is that her voice will have already set the tone of the conversation in regards to him/her. Many in customer facing roles will respond to questions with no eye contact at all. I have a deepish voice and have been misgendered lots of times.

I am rather tall and broad-shouldered. I was once addressed as sir by someone from London Transport, so I guess I should sue.

My almost 80 year old dad loves a pink shirt too R0 and also has a lovely pink jumper that really suits him - do I need to call him ma'am now?

How are the general public supposed to not only read someone's mind as to how they identify at that moment in time, but also prioritise getting someone's validation right over a lifetime of ingrained normal language shared meaning which has become automatic, probably when they're busy doing 97 other things at work?

Totally unreasonable demand on others. As usual it separates the world into those who must provide and those who must be provided for, correctly, right now, or God help them because they'll be punished.

Katie actually means that not being automatically perceived as a woman by a random stranger in the street is devastating to Katie's self belief in Katie being a woman. And Katie needs to work with Katie's therapist on dealing with the harsh sides of reality here, because Katie does not have that control over other people's minds and needs to face the realities of Katie's situation as a transwoman.

Frankly the more the kicking off and howling happens when someone, probably well intentioned, accidentally fails to please makes me less and less inclined to bother trying.

I've just watched the clip.

There's no need to comment really. The facts shout loudly for themselves and 99% of people will have the same, obvious response. Katie is making the GC argument for us.

It is interesting to watch woke cookie guzzling Phil Schofield squirming on the horns of this thorny dilemma. Which to side with - basic common sense or disingenuous virtue signalling?? And also notable, after Ruth Langsford's sadface lie to Posie ('we didn't get ANY tweets or emails that supported you') that this time they decided they couldn't brush the vast landslide of GC comments under the carpet and so ignored them altogether.

It's funny, I think the thing which is making me most cross about this particular case is when you listen to what KY says the employees KY spoke to actually did, they are described as being polite and going their jobs, in situations that sounded either stressful or routine. When I deal with people at work, I have a job to do in a short space of time, and my remit is to be polite, helpful and efficient, which is what these men are described as being, even by KY.

KY's frankly appalling ego thinks that it's right to punish them (The internal procedures alone would have caused considerable stress) for not giving KY the extra special attention that would be necessary to discern that a clearly male individual with long hair was wearing blush pink to indicate their fluttery inner sense of feminine mystique.

I very much doubt the employees are paid enough to demand that kind of attention.

I looked at this person's Facebook profile. I don't know if that's allowed or not... but it's clear that being female is a very sexual thing for them. Short skirts and high heels. It saddens me that this is what being female is apparently reduced to, and enforces that for a lot of trans individuals it is definitely based on a male vision of womanhood.

Short skirts and high heels. It saddens me that this is what being female is apparently reduced to, and enforces that for a lot of trans individuals it is definitely based on a male vision of womanhood.

Its sexist and regressive.
The idea too that a male who has plastic surgeries creating replicas of 'breast' and/or a surgical orifice created in order to be 'fully/meaningfully transitioned' to become women also reduces what it is to be a woman and female to specifically male preoccupations.

Anyone who thinks that putting on a dress or having their genitals surgically altered makes them a woman is deluded.

Katie said that they have been to Brighton many times as it is so lgbt friendly. So then why did Katie have to ask at the train station what platform Katie should go too?Any chance Katie talks to as many strangers as possible to see if they will be misgendered?

Any chance Katie talks to as many strangers as possible to see if they will be misgendered?

Katie described how 'nice' it was to receive affirming comments / compliments when first 'dressed as a girl for a laugh'

(can I also highlight how many middle aged males who identify as women seem to enjoy /use the term 'girl'? This is so jarring given the long history that adult women spent challenging the underlying sexism of the term when comparable adult men were not called 'boys' see twitter #girlslikeus etc )

It is interesting to watch woke cookie guzzling Phil Schofield squirming on the horns of this thorny dilemma. Which to side with - basic common sense or disingenuous virtue signalling??

This was the best bit for me.

So can any tall woman with short hair who is occasionally called ‘sir’ now sue for misgendering and hurt feelings? Or does it only apply to biological males annoyed that their use of dainty blush pink clothing and high heeled shoes is still not enough to hide the glaringly obvious fact that they’re male?

I’ve never been misgendered because I’m fairly small with feminine features but I know it happens at times, often to women who are unusually tall or strong. It’s less common with men because a male physique is fairly distinctive but also because calling a man ‘madam’ traditionally could be an insult and a risky thing to do. Is there any allowance made for the fact that those who work with the public have to make careful calculations on these things every day already?

Most people would be wary of calling an obvious male (like ‘Katie’) ‘madam’ in case they cause offence. How are we supposed to know who is trans and who is non-binary and who is not? It’s impossible to be 100% accurate based on visuals alone all of the time.

Ridiculous. I'm all for people wanting to identify as something that they physically are not, live and let live and all that, but don't go getting the hump because you sound and look like a bloke!

I think next time someone spots my grey roots and accuses this COMPLETELY NATURAL BLONDE of being a greying tart I will ask them to give me £1000 for the sheer stress of not being able to go about my day enjoying my blonde status unchallenged

Oh dear Katie, I’ve just watched that clip. It all sounds a bit of a stretch to me darling. A lot of the time when people serve you in a shop, or deal with an enquiry at reception they don’t even look at you. I’ve had some doozies. For eg, I went into the council back when I had a guide dog. When the person who I was there to see came out to get me she helped me to the room for the meeting. Then she fussed the dog, and then she asked if I’d driven in. I was like ‘no, hardly, I’m blind.’ Then we both had a laugh and got on with it.

Seriously though Katie, hunny, I get misgendered all the time, or I get mis sexed, occasionally by mistake because I have very short hair and dress in a masculine way, but mostly by people (men) who can see that I’m female, just not the kind of female they approve of. You know what the best way to deal with that is sweetheart, it’s to just ignore it, and as you actually are male, they aren’t really getting it wrong are they.

Most people would be wary of calling an obvious male (like ‘Katie’) ‘madam’ in case they cause offence. How are we supposed to know who is trans and who is non-binary and who is not? It’s impossible to be 100% accurate based on visuals alone all of the time.

Not just visuals. When Aimee Challenor gave preferred title as 'Miss' during a telphone call and this was queried by a train company employee, this led to public outcry and also an ending of TFL announcements re 'ladies & gentlemen'. I still don't understand the connection between the two... seemed a bit like penance/ransom demand.
2017 HuffPost article by Sara C Nelson

'Green Party Activist Slams TfL As Gender-Specific Announcements Remain Ahead Of London Pride
'We deserve better than empty promises from Sadiq Khan and TfL.'

(extract)
A Green Party activist has expressed disappointment that Transport for London (TfL) continues to use gendered language.

It comes six months after Sadiq Khan revealed the “ladies and gentlemen” Tube and bus announcements could be scrapped after a transgender woman was ridiculed by staff.

Aimee Challenor, who is Equalities Spokesperson for the Green Party, was left humiliated after she was told she “didn’t sound like a Miss” during a telephone call to TfL’s Oyster helpline.
The 19-year-old’s experience was put to the London Mayor by Green Party GLA member Sian Berry, prompting Khan to apologise “unreservedly” for the remark and to issue a pledge on implementing gender-neutral announcements across its network.

But Challenor complains examples of gender-specific language across TfL, including recorded announcements, remain.

She also claims a TfL staff member who requested anonymity supplied her with a screenshot of the TfL “rule book” which states: “When using the Public Address (PA) system, you must start all service information announcements with ‘Ladies and gentlemen’, except for routine announcements such as ‘mind the gap’ and ‘stand clear of the doors.’” (continues)

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/lgbt-disappointment-as-gender-specific-tfl-announcements-remain-ahead-of-pride_uk_595cf7cde4b02734df352e63

I think Lily Madigan raised a similar complaint following a phone call with a bank when Lily Madigan gave 'Miss' as preferred title.

Apparently the train employee was rushed didn't even make eye contact so obviously went on their voice - which is masculine and deep.

What a pile of narcissistic wank on television when we have so many truly serious things happening right now.