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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Police interviewing Caroline Farrow under caution and threatening to arrest her for "misgendering"

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Pimmsnlemonade · 19/03/2019 00:11

twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1107787009614065664

And, as she says in the thread:

"Meanwhile a group of people have terrified and harassed my family. Doxed my children, made violent and sexual threats, signed me up to porn accounts, did the same to my husband, threatened to visit here. And tumbleweed..."

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littlbrowndog · 19/03/2019 13:58

Rember the harrop doxing the woman
Told her h3 knew where she worked and threatened her
One of his doctor mates had to step in to tell him to stop it

SirVixofVixHall · 19/03/2019 13:58

That doctor is a horrible little man. He sounds so bitter, that glee at causing distress, all so twisted. Whatever made him go into medicine I wonder, because it clearly wasn’t the caring aspect, he is a despot. Like all tyrants he is rather pathetic and ridiculous.

WeepingWillowWeepingWino · 19/03/2019 14:00

I can't see that Caro is guilty of any of that, though.

Needmoresleep · 19/03/2019 14:00

Old crone, Harrop claims changes were made in October bringing max sentences up to two years with a three year statute of limitations

mobile.twitter.com/AdrianHarrop/status/1107928543302963200

Give him credit(???) he seems to know his stuff.

hackmum · 19/03/2019 14:03

Are Harrop's tweets public again? They were private for a while.

He must realise (unless he is very stupid) that his own tweets are far more vicious than anything Caro has written, and therefore far more likely to fall foul of the Malicious Communications Act than Caro's "misgendering". Perhaps his confidence simply comes from the fact that the police have up to now been willing to do TRAs' bidding while ignoring all the threats against women.

MiddleAgeRage · 19/03/2019 14:10

Interested in the suggestion on the twitter thread that the Hate Crime Coordinator for W Yorks police is possibly a Green family friend?.....

Yes I wondered about that too, because it rang a bell and then I remembered this TED talk by Susie Green:

At about 11:40 Green talks about transphobic abuse and attacks perpetrated against her child and then says

"one of her (Jackie's) best friends was the Hate Crime Coordinator for West Leeds so that gives you a bit of an indication of what she went through"

I speculate from this that perhaps the HCC became or felt like a best friend because of the frequency of contact rather than being a family friend to begin with. Who knows.

Mumfun · 19/03/2019 14:11

This is so twisted Caro

Glad you have lawyer.

And yes Harry the Owl is fantastic today. Very sad but accurate statement:

Steph nobody believes it. I dont think even you believe it. Its role play with thought police and added mutilation. twitter.com/HarryTheOwl/status/1107579189979299840

And top joke on JHB tweets: No wonder @SurreyPolice couldn't find that drone, they were probably looking for the wrong gender!://twitter.com/Toro_AIM/status/1107992062572544000

Needmoresleep · 19/03/2019 14:11

I just googled and was able to view. I don't have my own account.

He seems back on stream and making up for lost time.

OldCrone · 19/03/2019 14:20

Harrop claims changes were made in October bringing max sentences up to two years with a three year statute of limitations

I found this about the increase in the time limit, but didn't see anything about increase in the sentences.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/363924/fact-sheet-s127-comms-act.pdf

hackmum · 19/03/2019 14:26

From Steph:

"Harry, the world does not revolve around the obsession of a loud minority like yourself."

It's almost comical, isn't it?

Datun · 19/03/2019 14:30

I wonder if it's the term 'sending messages'. So you have to tag someone?

If you just say it to the world at large, it's not sending messages.

So you can say so-and-so is a boy. But you can't say so-and-so is a boy and tag Susie Green so she specifically has to read it.

I seem to remember this is where Posie might have strayed. And then she said that that was her opinion. Which seems to be something of a defence.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/03/2019 14:32

Pretty sure the sex of an individual is a verifiable fact, not an opinion.

The world is going to be a bit confusing while people adjust to never using pronouns for people in case they get reported for hate speech.

sackrifice · 19/03/2019 14:36

"Harry, the world does not revolve around the obsession of a loud minority like yourself."

It is classic abuse DARVO bingo.

littlbrowndog · 19/03/2019 14:37

Yeps sure is

Howyoualldoworkme · 19/03/2019 14:47

I'm thinking that Joani is on to this Caro?

Also I'm up for the crowdfunder as well. Love and strength to you Flowers

ThePankhurstConnection · 19/03/2019 14:59

Just wanted to add my support for you Caro. I'm am very sorry you are going through this and very sorry we have reached a point where police seem to be forcing speech and policing thoughts and opinions. It seems we are headed for authoritarian politics in this country after all.

How incredibly progressive.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 19/03/2019 15:04

Caroline you’re great. You may be interested in this short article in the BMJ by a Professor Emeritus of Obstetrics saying very firmly that sex us decided at conception and cannot be changed. What are they gonna do - arrest all Obstetricians and Professors of Human Biology for hate speech?

www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l245/rr-1?fbclid=IwAR0Bgv95QOfKjnvhGeeS7_LKjySUWLxC7-xrzx473tdkUpYepaSmkWGc4PI

Lamaha · 19/03/2019 15:13

This is outrageous!
The advice offered here and by your lawyer sounds spot on. We have your back. I'll be happy to contribute to a crowdfund.
I just hope that the ridiculousness of this goes massively viral.

ToeToToe · 19/03/2019 15:20

article in the BMJ by a Professor Emeritus of Obstetrics saying very firmly that sex us decided at conception and cannot be changed.

Well in that case, taking the BMJ as factual, which I do - the mantra "transwomen are women" is demonstrably false, and causes me needless anxiety and annoyance.

Slightly more than that, actually - it makes me fear for the rights, safety and privacy of me, my daughter and all women and girls.

Excuse me while I pop off and get half of the TRA twitterati arrested for malicious communications.

YippeeKayakOtherBuckets · 19/03/2019 15:26

Off topic but this is from the twitter hole (no pun) I just fell down. Men’s vaginas are an upgrade from women’s.

Police interviewing Caroline Farrow under caution and threatening to arrest her for "misgendering"
AlwaysTawnyOwl · 19/03/2019 15:31

Just ploughing through Gina Rippon ‘The Gendered Brain’ - the new neuroscience that shatters the myth of the female brain. She’s a Professor of Neuroinaging. Maybe they should arrest her too for hate speech? This is beyond ludicrous.

RedToothBrush · 19/03/2019 15:33

'is it in the public interest' to know about Susie Green and her family given her involvement with Mermaids?

I believe this is what it's about ultimately.

I don't believe it's about the child in this case. It's protecting an organisation and its senior figures who should be heavily scruntised.

If its in the public interest to know the situation with Susie Green and Co, then the case of Malicious Communications may topple like a house of cards. What is Caroline's motivation here? Could a public interest case be argued? (In my none legally qualified opinion: yes - especially given we are actively talking about it here and concerns have be raised about the organisation and individuals here in the national press).

I'm mindful that the judge in the Yardley case refused to give Helen Islan anonymity on the grounds that it was in the public interest to know too.

Also there is the fact that everything Yardley said was put in the public domain by Islan herself and in effect Islan was a public figure because of her association with Mermaids and her activism. Its not like the ITV drama on recently wasn't influenced considerably by the case of the Greens either.

It would therefore very much fit with the 'why do this?' and 'why do this now?' and 'why do this to Caroline?' questions.

It's trying to get rid of the sunlight.

What I have long learned with Internet social life, is when you hit a nerve with certain people and the shit they've been peddling suddenly is shown up as the dung it is, then they have a tenancy to go nuts when they are about to be found out and it's going to go tits up. And that's the moment you know you have to simply stand your ground rather than push it further. It's all part of the implosion process.

If that means a court case (and even subsequent appeal) then that's what may need to be done.

ToeToToe · 19/03/2019 15:35

My god, I think that's the most misogynistic diatribe I've ever read. Deserves a thread of it's own. "Penises turned into neo-vaginas are actually better than real vaginas, on real, born women - 'cause you know, vaginas are kinda icky" Shock

Give it 5 years and all these ^ types of men will be living with sex robots with perfect plastic vaginas, no inconvenient menstruation and no ability to answer back.

And hiring women to do the icky business of having the babies, no doubt.

Bluestitch · 19/03/2019 15:36

Piers Morgan has tweeted about it now, so this is going to be a big story.

mobile.twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1108003962614149120

ToeToToe · 19/03/2019 15:36

^That was in response to Yippee's post.