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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

One liner as to why "cis" is objectionable please!

158 replies

3timeslucky · 15/03/2019 14:26

I hate the term. I hate to see women blithely reduce themselves to being a subset of women.

But I know I've read more reasons as to why it is not an ok term to use. So can you share your one liners or even two liners (they need to be simple enough that I can remember and re-use them).

Thanks!

OP posts:
GrimDamnFanjo · 16/03/2019 13:11

There are not divisions of woman.
A woman is a woman.

Cookieflavoredbiscuit · 16/03/2019 15:57

Because I don’t have Stockholm syndrome

MistressDeeCee · 16/03/2019 16:00

Define yourself as a hanging plant pot for all I care but piss off with your nouveau naff made up terms for me.

Horsewithnogreenbobblehat · 16/03/2019 16:03

the most widely known example to lay people is the difference between trans fats and cis fats

I have been telling people for years that I'm transfat but nobody's having it. That's how I identify anyway.

PosterPostingPosterishly · 16/03/2019 16:11

When you have grown the ovum to produce life, to grow a child to be borne of your body,
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you have felt the ache of Mother Nature, the loss from your body every month, the pain, the mess, the shame.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you have fought for your right to say yay or nay.
When you have thrust your body beneath the Kings thoroughbred to make it known, you want your word,
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you have endured the searing pain of a tribal tradition, felt the knife to your most sensitive thing.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When a man thrusts his weight upon you and tells you it’s because he loves you.
When your whole body screams in pain because you’re trying not to allow him in. When you fear that off spring could be born of this,
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you are paid less than another, even though you are as good or better.
When you are not quite all the way up the ladder, because you were born without the appendage.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When a stroll down the street, becomes a zoological cacophony.
When the catcalls and whistles and stares make you look for the nearest hole in which to crawl.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you have to cover it all, at the instruction of a man.
When your hair isn’t deemed worthy of public viewing and your face must be shielded from the light.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you receive lashes across your slender back, because you dare to be a voice of freedom for those born without the privilege of man.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

I am all of these things, I fight and rise up.
I did not choose this but I will prevail.
I am a woman.
Don’t call me Cis, sis.

DadJoke · 16/03/2019 16:15

Because it assumes trans women are women, and women who don't share this view don't like to be considered a member of a subset of woman.

mumwon · 16/03/2019 17:13

Poster brilliant - I am a woman & before when I was little I was a girl who grew into her womanhood - I will be a woman till my bones are dust & the last gene or chromosome or bone of me is no more. It doesn't matter if I love another woman or a lover of men (or man :)) or am happy by myself or celebrate. I am a woman & always will be. If you wish or believe that you should have been a woman & go through the full transition - that is your choice & belief - you can claim your new womanhood - I have no issue with that - but don't define me - or put new terms on me - I am woman simply that

mumwon · 16/03/2019 17:15

Oh goodness celibate not celebrate - doh -:)

2rebecca · 16/03/2019 20:22

Well done Poster. Xxx

Neome · 16/03/2019 20:28

But if organic chemistry explanation
Surely trans is the backwards of cis?
(point the misses)

PosterPostingPosterishly · 16/03/2019 20:37

Mum and 2
Thank you. Halo

ISaySteadyOn · 16/03/2019 20:48

Poster, that poem is wonderful and powerful.

PosterPostingPosterishly · 16/03/2019 20:51

You ladies are making me blush.
Not actually sure where it came from....deep down inside my womanhood I guess!

I hoped it had made sense.

Not quite a one liner, sorry OP. Glad it touched some of you.

NellieEllie · 17/03/2019 00:01

I’m not a “type of woman”. I AM a woman. End of.

quixote9 · 17/03/2019 02:17

Some good ones here. Not so snappy, but also true:

Women get to define themselves, like every other group. They haven't called themselves "cis."

ixqik · 17/03/2019 03:50

cis - made up term by folk who fight for the right to define their designation and fight for the right to define your designation too.

hoodathunkit · 17/03/2019 08:16

I checked this thread today and cried (in a good way) at all the very kind and validating comments about my post

Have some flowers Flowers

PosterPostingPosterishly, MoeAnna, stillathing, AryaStarkWolf, BickerinBrattle, ForgivenessIsDivine, Ereshkigal, WouldDoItAgain

I feel a strange kind of embarrassed feeling also, but I think I can live with it

:)

Also a wonderful poem by PosterPostingPosterishly
I may post some of my own poetry at some point

So many astute and thought provoking posts here

I especially like this from eccles
I'm trying to think if there's any other adjective applied to people without their consent which simultaneously is supposed to denote privilege yet clearly implies their utter inferiority.

Great thread, thanks to all the women who contributed

Flowers
Lamaha · 17/03/2019 10:26

Poster that was brilliant, thank you! Flowers

On a lighter note, this made me chuckle: I have been telling people for years that I'm transfat but nobody's having it. That's how I identify anyway.

And this is also brilliant, in a different way:
I'm trying to think if there's any other adjective applied to people without their consent which simultaneously is supposed to denote privilege yet clearly implies their utter inferiority.

AnyOldPrion · 17/03/2019 23:03

Don’t call me Cis, Cis women are sycophantic phallocentrists.

Finely worded disdain! I love it!

And I love the second quote in Lamaha’s post as well. Succinctly put.

BasiliskStare · 18/03/2019 03:52

waste of a syllable

brizzlemint · 18/03/2019 04:58

Woman is a complete word.

Oldermum156 · 18/03/2019 20:07

I get to decide what I am called, not some other group of people, that is why it is objectionable. Any argument past that is boundary crossing.

3timeslucky · 19/03/2019 14:10

Not quite a one liner, sorry OP. Glad it touched some of you.

Delighted you went for a multi-line response! Thanks.

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Bowlofbabelfish · 19/03/2019 20:15

Because I am not an isomer, or a genetic control element. I am a woman.

Dothehappydance · 19/03/2019 23:00

This has been very informative, and useful. It is very maddening though that a made up term has managed to worm its way into every day language and now we are having to defend why we find it objectionable. I don't know if people genuinely don't see that it is offensive or do and are not really bothered.

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