One liner as to why "cis" is objectionable please!

[3timeslucky]

I hate the term. I hate to see women blithely reduce themselves to being a subset of women.

But I know I've read more reasons as to why it is not an ok term to use. So can you share your one liners or even two liners (they need to be simple enough that I can remember and re-use them).

Thanks!

'Female woman' - tautology.
'Male woman' - oxymoron.

Kenn

I'm assuming you're joking?

I am a woman and no man or group of men or people purporting to represent a man or men (whatever they may identify as) will ever tell me otherwise.

Yes

Pheeeew 😉

So can you share your one liners or even two liners (they need to be simple enough that I can remember and re-use them).

(If you are called it)

How dare you presume I'm not trans.

Oh, thank goodness, Kenn. I think I have been reading Twitter too much and need to recalibrate my joke-o-meter for Mumsnet.

Sorry, Ken, you've fallen foul of Poe's law.

‘Cis’ is redundant. It adds nothing. A woman is an adult human female, regardless of whether the person in question identifies with/conforms to gender stereotypes or not.

Because they built cis city on sexist roles?

Because, although I perform gender stereotypes because it's easier, I'm not willing to pretend I like them. They are imposed from outside and fuck that noise.

Why is it only women who are not allowed to object to the language used to describe them?

Ultimately what it comes down to is, if on the one hand we have trans women and on the other hand we have cis women, what exactly is a woman?

built cis city on sexist roles

rofl! thanks a lot for the ear worm...

@horsewithnogender, that's funny and shows how ridiculous the whole nonsense is.

I was doing great reading and nodding away (stopping for an "oof moment" at hoodathnkit's post (oof as in breath taken away)) and I got to KennDodd's and had to pause as I could not tell if it was a sarcastic "who could object to that?" I think that nicely captures how crazy and sometimes impossible communication has become. But I guess that's what happens when attempts are made to have language redefined and meaning erased.

Thanks all. Wanders off humming "they built cis city ..."

I don’t identify with gender stereotypes, I use my amazing brain that happens to be housed in a female body to fight against them.

I think also that words carry more weight than their definition. For example you could replace the trans, in trans-woman and use pseudo-woman or faux-woman, but we recognise that these words are unkind and would hurt so use trans-woman in recognition of how it’s received. Even if “cis” was a subset of women (which is nonsensical) then surely one can see, even with very limited empathy, that it isn’t well received and not use it whatever you feel it’s shorthand for?

I don't believe in transubstantiation. But I don't identify as non-Catholic. I don't believe in astrology, but I don't identify as non-Pisces.

I don't have a bipolar disorder, but I don't identity as non-bipolar. I'm not anorexic, but I don't identify as cis-weighty.

I don't believe that gender identity is innate anymore than I believe in an innate soul, therefore I can't assert an idenity that is founded on the existence of innate gender identity and to insist that I do so is religious persecution.

I do believe in variations in human personality but when I went through a period of introversion I didn't I identify as cis-extroverted, and vice-versa, since personality is of course fluid.

I am a woman and I don't label myself a non-man. As a woman, I am a member of a marginalized, political, and protected class in a sex-based hierarchy that has existed for millennia and in which males are positioned at the higher level. Labelling me 'cis' is an attempt to paint women as oppressors of males. In no circumstances, however, do women have the legal, political, economic, or social power to exploit males as a class. Therefore the word 'cis' is a power-play to erase female oppression at the hands of male power and I refuse to acquiesce to that.

hoodathunkit I don't know if you identify as a poet, but I certainly read you as one. What you wrote was stunning in its beauty and truth.

"Don't call me/us cis woman/women" (said in a firm, emphatic tone)

No justification needed
No explanation needed

Repeat, if necessary, or if asked why.

@hoodathunkit Brave woman.

Thank you for sharing and making us proud and humbled to share chromosomes with you.

I'm not an isomer. I'm a woman, you know - adult human female.

Wonderful, moving post, hooda

I am a woman and I don't label myself a non-man. As a woman, I am a member of a marginalized, political, and protected class in a sex-based hierarchy that has existed for millennia and in which males are positioned at the higher level. Labelling me 'cis' is an attempt to paint women as oppressors of males. In no circumstances, however, do women have the legal, political, economic, or social power to exploit males as a class. Therefore the word 'cis' is a power-play to erase female oppression at the hands of male power and I refuse to acquiesce to that.

Great post, Bickering. Summed it up very well.

Because 'woman' is the primary factor, it is enough as it stands.More than enough .