One liner as to why "cis" is objectionable please!

[3timeslucky]

I hate the term. I hate to see women blithely reduce themselves to being a subset of women.

But I know I've read more reasons as to why it is not an ok term to use. So can you share your one liners or even two liners (they need to be simple enough that I can remember and re-use them).

Thanks!

I do not identify with gender stereotypes associated with my second therefore I am not cisfemale. To assume, as I do not appear to be trans, I must be cis is diminishing my being into a binary norm that I dispute. (Shamlessly paraphrased from another thread.)

Nothing wrong with it as a term, just like there's nothing wrong with trans as a term. If someone doesn't want to personally identify as cis-genderer then fair enough, everyone gets to pick their own labels. But in and of itself there's nothing bad about it.

Depending on who I would either say 'I don't like that term's or if it was someone superwoke do a head tilt and say 'Did you just presume my gender'

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

”If someone doesn't want to personally identify as cis-genderer then fair enough, everyone gets to pick their own labels. But in and of itself there's nothing bad about it.”

That would work if it weren’t for the fact that people who use the term ‘cis’ seem to think that every biological woman is ‘cis’, whether they identify as such or not.

A) I'm not a subset of my own sex.

Or

B) Don't define me as something I'm not.

Someone telling me that i identify with oppressive sexist stereotypes?

How dare they tell me I'm willingly embracing my own oppression?

Incidentally, the converse is also true. I don't identify with the male list either.

Sex is diamorphic. A person's sense of themself notsomich.

Don’t call me Cis, Cis women are sycophantic phallocentrists.

Don’t call me Cis, Cis women are sycophantic phallocentrists.

...what?

I am a woman not an isomer.
The trans lobby just looked for another usage of the word trans apart from it being short for transitioning/transititioned and saw it was used for trans and cis isomers, a completely unrelated usage of the word "trans".
It's like me talking about light bulbs and then talking about light and heavy. Same word completely different meanings and "heavy" is not the opposite of "light" when you are talking about light bulbs.

Transgender doesn't derive from "transitioning" though? It literally comes from the trans- prefix, denoting "across, beyond, through, on the other side of, to go beyond". Like, it's the exact same root function as its use in chemistry. To transition stems from the same prefix, placed into a verb form to denote going across or to the other side of.
Which, that might seem like splitting hairs, or playing semantics, but it's an important difference. For analogy, it's the difference between saying humans and gorillas share a common ancestor, versus saying humans evolved from gorillas. Transgender and transitioning share a common root word, but one didn't evolve from the other. Given that, trans and cis are contextually opposite, in a way that light and heavy aren't.

exculp, I think I tried too hard to turn it into a one liner..

Sycophantic-cause you’d have to be a simpering doormat to agree to redefine your sex class in terms of it not suffering from a psychological condition which affects at most 0.5 percent of the population. That’s not inclusivity, that’s subordination.

Phallocentric- cause they center men.

It's a bollocks piece of catechism belonging to a patriarchal, homophobic religion like all the other patriarchal, homophobic religions.

One liner enough?!

If women can be 'cis' or trans then the definition of woman is no longer 'adult human female', but a feeling or set of stereotypes.

If it's about how people identify, then don't assume my fucking identity for me.

Don't call me cis. I'm female. Call me female. Transwomen are male.

And don't get me started on 'cis women were assigned female at birth' or I might start laughing uncontrollably and wet myself.

Cis suggests I identify with the female gender stereotype of being submissive, pretty, paid less, harassed more etc. I don't.

To use the modern parlance, "it is basic, discourteous misgendering."

Cis should only ever be used of those who claim the word for themselves. Even then one should bear in mind that many of those who claim the word do so from a position of having been brainwashed since birth to accept their gender-conditioning and they may one day break out of there.

For the 99.9% of humanity for whom you have no information about the extent to which they identify with the gender stereotypes that society forces on them, basic courtesy should not assume either way. Nor should one intrusively demand that someone should proclaim their thoughts on gender, which may be complex and evolving, to allow others to decide whether to categorise then as cis or trans. Better to think of all people as human first and foremost.

Oh when someone calls you Cis.
Sis.. oh no I only have a brother...

Don't call me cis. I'm female.

That's a point, they don't say cis-female do they?

Why is that I wonder?

Some peculiarity of grammar that is lost on me?

• That's a point, they don't say cis-female do they? Why is that I wonder? Some peculiarity of grammar that is lost on me?*

I think it's more that the genderists idea is that its 'gender' which makes you a 'woman' (in quotes because no-one knows what they mean by that word) and you're trans if your sex (male or female) is opposite to your gender, cis if your sex matches the gender they assume you have.

It's all completely bogus, of course. The supposed analogy with chemistry is rubbish - trans and cis isomers have exactly the same constituent parts but their different spatial arrangement means they have different properties (the most widely known example to lay people is the difference between trans fats and cis fats)

I honestly don't know what "gender identity" is. Any "feelings" of being female I have ever had come from my biology, starting at puberty: falling in love with boys, realising they wanted my body, being harassed by boys whose advances I rejected, menstruation, abortion, pregnancy, childbirth, mothering, menopause.

Post menopause, there have been no female-specific experiences for me. I am lucky to be in robust health, touch wood.

Apart from these female-specific experiences, I do not feel I am female. I don't constantly think "I am a woman" when going for a walk in the woods, reading a book, watching a film, going on a holiday, relaxing in the garden, taking a shower, etc. I would be hard pressed to describe what it feels like "to be a woman" as a thing apart from those experiences linked to my specific anatomy. I'm just me. Yet men thing they know?

I am not cis and don't need this word to describe myself.

Gender identity is just a mental concept. It's in the head; buzzing thoughts. It does not actually exist, yet laws are being changed and society is being remodelled on the premise that it's a thing. Words are being invented, women are being erased, crimes are being committed, all given government's nod.

The mind boggles. It's truly scary.

I am female, not a subset of the class female

My self, I get to choose what I am called.

Hooda and Bicker, amazing posts from both of you

I love MN for being a platform to access the honest, intelligent, brutal, loving, supportive words of women who can articulate thoughts in a way beyond me which cause me to vigorously nod along thinking "thank you" for expressing so well what I can't