4thWaveNow has some incredibly disturbing stuff from Facebook

[GabrielleNelson]

twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1104427039082405888

This one is a tweet with screenshots of 'packers', i.e. plastic penises, for girls under 5 who identify as boys to wear in their pants. (Yes, you read that right. I'd say a trans 3yo is like a vegan cat. We all know who's made that call.)

That led a concerned parent to send them a lot of screenshots from a Facebook group for affirming parents of trans children. First batch are about packers, starting here. twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1104778089974980609

Second batch are about underwear for biological boys designed to minimise bulges in the genital area. (So the opposite of the above.) twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1105542499483955200

Third batch are about binders being worn by biological girls and causing serious respiratory issues. twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1105585448657801217

The whole thing is just sickening. Why isn't anyone sane in authority trying to re-assert normality and put the health and wellbeing of these confused children and teenagers first?

God forbid the UK ever goes the same way.

I read some of those, and those poor children. In so many of the screenshots the agenda is obviously being pushed by the parents, sometimes against the child's wishes

How does a parent get such a twisted view of normality?

It is clear that certain parents do not want their children to grow up and have sex lives - perhaps they would prefer them to stay little children forever.

it's all about aesthetics

that's why you put young children on hormone blockers, then cross sex hormones

so when they can have the chop, they'll finally look like the beautiful daughter you always dreamed of

the parent who posted that belongs in prison. I am not fucking jocking

“Help me repress my teen boy’s sexuality”! I can’t be doing with this shit anymore. I used to think munchausens by proxy was overblown, an extreme thing that was overdiagnosed to batter concerned mothers with. My own mum was initially dismissed when taking a baby to hospital with what turned out to be whooping cough and later told she was “neurotic” when chasing help with what turned out to be cerebellar hypoplasia in my sister, so I know that it can happen.

But damn, if transing kids hasn’t brought out the kooks wanting to pathologise and attention whore on the backs of their own babies.

has anyone else found a way to deal with something like this??

Yes. Listen to your child and go and get your head examined

This one is chilling. An 8yo "girl" is terrified of her upcoming surgeries and her mother wants advice. None of the advice is WTAF, stop, I'm calling social services.

Check out @4th_WaveNow’s Tweet: twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1105651652206514176?s=09

Munchausens has been redefined as fabricated illness disease. Perhaps as some things aren’t classed as a health issue as such, the behaviour of parents that could be considered munchausens by proxy slips under the radar as it’s not seen as fabricating an illness? Either way, not listening to your dc when they say they don’t want to take unnecessary medication/surgery is appalling and unjustifiable.

Given that there seems to be a strong link between children who have been sexually abused and go on to identify as trans, I think it is REALLY BLOODY OBVIOUS why the parents are pushing their children to wear fake penises.

The only relief these children are getting is when every adult around them is praising them and telling them how wonderful they are. It's an artificial environment.

One that is supported and promoted by places like GIRES, with their bloody penguins and celebration parties. Like Jazz Jennings' penis cake.

They force a situation on a child, because they crave affirmation/attention themselves, but that affirmation is few and far between.

And yes, it's highly abusive and they belong in prison.

And the really awful part, as someone else mentioned, is it too late for these kids. As soon as they realise what their parents did, their mental health will disintegrate.

I'm not often shocked, but dear God, the way those parents are talking is insane.

I thought I'd seen it all until I read that thread. I am utterly horrified. Those poor poor kids.

It is astonishing that child services in the US are not all over these abusive parents.

I think I might have to keep bumping this thread all fucking day. Your son discovers masturbation and wants to come off the medication you've organized for him that stunts his physical and sexual development, and you object?? What are you, the worst and weirdest Catholic in the world?!

Teaching a child to dissociate from its body is about the biggest red flag of safeguarding you can get. These parents are inducing dysphoria.

WTAF have I just read?
Is this the Christian right in unholy alliance with woketopia?
It sounds like Hell.

No. Words.

Holy fuck ... I have no words

Actually made me cry with anger and despair. These poor children. And then you have tiny “transboys” wheeled out on breakfast tv for Effing Phil and Holly to coo over and score virtue points. Blerrggh. I need a lie down.

And the BBC is posting nice affirming articles about that poor Autumn who appears to be providing a career path for his mother, and about Desmond is Aamazing, whose drag act appears to be supporting his family

parents are supposed to protect their children

why is the BBC celebrating parents who have failed to protect their children?

I think of all the things I've seen and read since discovering FWR this is the most distressing. I cannot even process how parents would do this and how they are getting away with it.

Exactly Bernard, it’s like the whole Yewtree thing never happened.....

I honestly think that reading and knowing about this new form of child abuse is worse for my mental health than anything else in my own personal life ever, including significant health and mental health issues of both my dh and ds.

I can't read any more.

These parents are inducing dysphoria.

Yes.

It's beyond everything else. What is wrong with these parents? How are they allowed to get away with it? It's insane.

What the hell!!!

This is a very disturbing variation on old school competitive parenting. Once it was limited to ballet, sports or school admissions. Now it seems moulding your child into the opposite gender with the best body mods you can buy is de-rigour in some circles.

Just appalling.

I can see some replies of shock/anger similar to ours beneath the 4thWaveNow tweets, but I am not a Twitter user any more and unsure where else to look to get a sense of the wider response.

Just curious about whether it’s being positioned as “hysteria” or “misinformation” or whatever by TRAs. Or even whether anyone openly defends it as perfectly ok.