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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Linford Christie's reaction

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Mankyfoot · 11/03/2019 08:59

C'mon Linford Grin

Linford Christie's reaction
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Butchyrestingface · 11/03/2019 11:25

I think he's just WTF-ing at the whole clusterfuck of nonsense.

BettyDuMonde · 11/03/2019 11:27

(I cast another vote for Linford Christie being all ‘WTF’ over a white trans identifying male implying that white trans identifying males are more female than black females, of the actual female variety - surely a ‘WTF’ moment for the vast majority of the population?

We all know what a woman is, we all came out of one)

Lweji · 11/03/2019 11:28

This is catered for in the sports with weight divisions (combat sports). It certainly will not lead to mixed sex combat sport categories.

Not so sure about this. I'm fairly confident that I could take a man with my weight (very light, btw) and training. Less sure about weight lifting.
I suspect we will evolve to some flexibility, or at least some trials.

Threewheeler1 · 11/03/2019 11:29

Luggsays
Fuck off McKinnon you racist shit lord
Perfect response & a neat summary Grin

StealthPolarBear · 11/03/2019 11:30

Are people suggesting he saw it as "exclude black women from women's sports" without any other context and wtfed at that?
Why arr people being so cagey about this?

WarpedGalaxy · 11/03/2019 11:33

GeorgeTheBleeder - yep I agree. This is what I don't get - your post -

There is something so distasteful about this thread - and the evidence of how some posters are just slightly, but crucially missing the point - that I really, really wish I hadn't opened it

How are people slightly missing the point?!

I get what GeorgeTheBleeder is saying, that some people here are showing who they really are and I agree though I’d have said: “deliberately just slightly, but crucially missing the point”.

Shatnerswig Amber Rudd said ‘coloured’ not ‘woman of colour’ but regardless, for white people to whine that ‘we can’t say anything these days’ and ‘well the NAACP keeps the term in its name’ is them being as fucking deliberately obtuse and ignorant as saying ‘many black people use the n word so why can’t white people?’

The NAACP chooses to keep the term in their name to honor the founders of the organization and as a reminder that the fight for civil rights for POC is not over.

StealthPolarBear · 11/03/2019 11:34

Could you spell it out please
Why are people being cagey

RockyFlintstone · 11/03/2019 11:36

Can't people just say what they mean about others 'showing who they really are'?!

I don't get it!

MirriVan · 11/03/2019 11:36

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GerryblewuptheER · 11/03/2019 11:37

Wtf is about right.

What do these people have to do for people to wake up.

Black, Asian disabled, tall, short, women are akd always have been women.

As are women with pcos, or who have had a mastectomy or hysterectomy.

Why do trans women get away with being disgusting racists Angry

RiverTam · 11/03/2019 11:37

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BettyDuMonde · 11/03/2019 11:39

Not so sure about this. I'm fairly confident that I could take a man with my weight (very light, btw) and training. Less sure about weight lifting.
I suspect we will evolve to some flexibility, or at least some trials

Nope. See USA powerlifting’s recent statement (lifting isn’t a combat sport anyway).

There has been a transman v man boxing bout recently but it was more circus (al la Merryweather V McGregor) than sport - no titles/rankings at stake.

High level sports are spectator events and the truth is, the majority of people do not want to see a man and a woman fighting, no matter what their gender identity is. See how horrified most MMA fans are about Fallon Fox as an example (my DH trained in MMA for about 20 years, Fallon Fox peaked him).

feelingverylazytoday · 11/03/2019 11:39

Someone on the LSA thread made the point that black girls in America are starting to lose out on athletic scholarships to transgendered males. I was wondering how long this would take to filter through. This will not go down well at all.
And go Linford !

ToxtethOGradysBogey · 11/03/2019 11:42

Nope, Amber Rudd did not say "women of colour". If Amber Rudd had said "women of colour', which is the correct, woke term, then somebody in the media may have actually listened to what Amber Rudd was saying, i.e., advocating in support of women who receive twitter abuse, which includes racist as well as sexist abuse and threats in the case of Diane Abbot and other "women of colour". Which is, incidentally, one of the few times Amber Rudd has made any useful contribution to the lives of women of colour.

No, Amber Rudd said "coloured women". A term used by "people of colour" themselves well into the 1980s and 1990s (people like my parents), until somebody told them they were wrong and oppressing themselves. So instead of discussing the substance of her remarks, the media discussed the fact that AR must be a rampant racist. And the point she was making is conveniently lost, because the woke love to tell "people of colour" they are oppressed without wanting to actually help do anything about it of substance.

As exhibit 1, please look up on Youtube the exchange on LBC between John Barnes and Sheilagh Fogarty on LBC. JB saying "so what, many people in the non white community still say coloured people, why don't you listen to what AR was trying to say about Twitter abuse instead of focussing on a terminology that many people it's supposed to oppress find completely innocuous; SF more or less insisting that JB and the previous (black, female) caller don't understand their own oppression. Oh and accusing JB of being aggressive (when he was just being exasperated). But that's an old trope isn't it, the aggressive black man; just like the black man = stupid at the top of this thread.

So there we go, closet racists can remain woke, because they would never dream of saying the P word or the N word to your face, they will use the correct terminology - but they still won't sit next to you on the bus though.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 11/03/2019 11:49

"Rachel McKinnon is truly" is trending on twitter.

"stunning and brave" is not one of the top endings to the sentence.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 11/03/2019 11:51

Oh, not trending. Sorry, I'm old. That's what comes up when you search for Rachel's name on twitter.

Turns out I'm blocked - never interacted with the person. How odd.

Lweji · 11/03/2019 11:52

High level sports are spectator events and the truth is, the majority of people do not want to see a man and a woman fighting, no matter what their gender identity is.

Sigh. It's not going to happen tomorrow. But I suspect things will change eventually as a result of the transgender pressure to cross sex categories.

PeeGreen · 11/03/2019 11:55

I'm struggling very hard to understand how Linford's reaction to a comment by a white person that excluding biologically male people from women's sport is the same as excluding black people from sport, can be read as anything other than 'what the fuck are you talking about, that's absurd'.

Linford Christie has spoken out about his experiences of racism

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3008410/Linford-Christie-reveals-racist-police-life-misery.html
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1322842/Christie-accuses-Coe-of-race-jibe-over-jive.html

Grace212 · 11/03/2019 11:57

viv I was looking at my Trends and wondering what was going on!

StealthPolarBear · 11/03/2019 11:59

And still no one is telling me, I really don't see how his wtf could ever be seen as in support. It's not something you say when you agree

Grace212 · 11/03/2019 12:00

Stealth IKR?! Grin

StealthPolarBear · 11/03/2019 12:01

Wtf exactly!

Tanith · 11/03/2019 12:02

Completely agree, Toxteth.

WarpedGalaxy · 11/03/2019 12:06
Twerking9til5 · 11/03/2019 12:10

It's perfectly obvious that LC is outraged at RMcK.

And there is some deeply dodgy thinking on this thread if anyone thinks he only reacted because of race, can surmise, based on your own inference of his comment that he is 'thick' , and I could go on about the fetishisation of black mens' bodies, and the double standards of immediately commenting on his body.

WTF!

McK's rhetoric has consistently been exploitative and suspect on race - the 'reason' for not appearing on R5Alive with Fair Play For Women was on the basis that it was a like a black person being asked to debate with the KKK.

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