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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Miranda in court

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EweSurname · 01/03/2019 12:11

I didn't realise Miranda Yardley was in court today over alleged transphobic harrasment.

Debbie Hayton
@DebbieHayton
At Basildon Magistrates Court where Miranda Yardley is on trial for transphobic Harassment. The prosecution applied for reporting restrictions to prevent the complainant Helen Islan from being named. The judge has not granted them. So Helen Islan can be named.

Sending Miranda good luck vibes.

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EweSurname · 03/03/2019 07:08

No policy made in the shadows can stand for long in daylight.

That article is fantastic! I feel a bit emotional seeing it laid out so clearly, all the chinks of light breaking through in the last few weeks.

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FemalePersonator · 03/03/2019 07:14

Great article. Thank you to The Daily Mail and to James Kirkup, for shining a list on this problem.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

SoloClarinet · 03/03/2019 07:34

The Manning article I think is deliberate - it is setting out how Orwellian the world has become.

West Yorkshire Police, eh? And the CPS really really shouldn't be bringing cases to court that are thrown out on day one. Who was pulling their strings?

Ikeameatballs · 03/03/2019 07:47

Fantastic James Kirkup article.

teawamutu · 03/03/2019 08:52

That Kirkup article is incredible - and even though I know all of it, it's extraordinary to see it laid out in one place like that.

Seeing all those little things recent advances in one place is pretty encouraging, though.

Fuck the Guardian. I've read it all my adult life but, as pp have said, the only way they'll report will be on the adverse reactions to those who are brave enough to speak out. I never ever thought I'd be comparing the guardian unfavourably with the DM. Truly, strange times.

Popchyk · 03/03/2019 09:23

Kirkup nails it again.

"Meanwhile, in the political sphere, the word in Whitehall is that Penny Mordaunt, the Equalities Minister, is starting to have doubts about changing the law to allow people to self-identify their sex.
Responses to a Government consultation on those reforms showed opposition from women in every part of Britain, other than a few very small clusters in London and a few university towns. Tories who once saw the trans agenda as a way to modernise and reach out to young voters now realise things are more complicated than that".

Interesting.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 03/03/2019 09:58

Very interesting pop

My dad reads the mail...its his paper of choice

So it will be interesting if he mentions anything today

LizzieSiddal · 03/03/2019 10:07

And the CPS really really shouldn't be bringing cases to court that are thrown out on day one. Who was pulling their strings?

Mermaids advised them.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 03/03/2019 10:10

Oh what a surprise. Can I just advise police and government then? I have no qualifications but lots of opinions, axes to grind and petty vendettas.

WeRiseUp · 03/03/2019 10:33

Yes it's also strange that Christine Burns who co-wrote the GRA was the first person to get a GRC.

Let's all write laws and advise the police to get us what we want.

EweSurname · 03/03/2019 12:16

Some more Joani tweets (it's not all a thread):

Joani Walsh
@joaniwalshi
I sat through a day of #HelenIslan’s evidence in which she repeatedly labelled Miranda Yardley as ‘disingenious’. If Islan of #Mermaids is now claiming the decision to put a transsexual through ten months of hell was nothing to do with her, Islan needs to look up ‘disingenious’.

#HelenIslan made a late submission to declare that she would not be able to give evidence if she was not afforded the luxury of protection for her views. Helen Islan was surprised she did not win to the point she had to deliberate if she could proceed. #MirandaYardley

The judge in the #MirandaYardley trial threw out the case on the strength of #HelenIslan's evidence. One would hope that would be salutary. Sadly, by her output since, it would appear Helen Islan is, instead, doubling down. She could have ruined someone's life.

How can you claim to want to make the world a better place, as #HelenIslan claimed in court, and surely know you will ruin someone's life for tweets? #MirandaYardley

Debbie Hayton was due to give evidence. It included Helen Islan describing Debbie as a man in a dress. Pages and pages of evidence were listed of Islan’s behaviour towards others online inc calling Lily Maynard a bitch.

She'd have known she had to give evidence. She just expected to be able to do it without having to take responsibility for it. She appeared on camera reluctantly and clutching a pack of tissues. Her obfuscation was appalling. And continued repetition of the same lines frustrating

I've been with Miranda this w/e and he is humbled by donations to buy him a drink. Sadly, he's not able to communicate with anyone because not only has he been chucked off totalitarian Twitter, he's on a 30-day ban from fascist Facebook for saying a word that rhymes with fanny.

So we have a truly transgender person being done for transphobia who is then also not allowed to describe himself.

I'm not sure everyone fully understood how important the Miranda Yardley trial was going to be for freedom of speech and the ability to criticise transgender ideology and its advocates. The application for reporting restrictions declared it was a case of transgender hate crime.
This would have been a first. The state wanted to set a precedent to enable them to lay foundations for transphobia to become a hate crime and to silence inconvenient views. As they are trying to do on other fronts regarding criticism of religious ideology and r/w political views
Miranda Yardley has had a really, really hard time. He said his life since last November has not allowed him to see beyond this weekend because he didn't know if he was going to have much of a future. He could have lost his livelihood thanks to Helen Islan. That is obscene.
What is even more abhorrent is that Helen Islan demanded the privilege not to be held accountable for what she was doing. She expected to be able to wield the knife in darkness.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 03/03/2019 12:20

She expected to be able to wield the knife in darkness

That is the MO of the TRAs. Back channeling, under the radar, secret FB groups. As soon as any of their echo chamber comes in contact with the real world, the real world isn't having any of it.

OlennasWimple · 03/03/2019 12:35

(Another) great article from Kirkup

SophoclesTheFox · 03/03/2019 12:35

Sobering stuff, ewe. Glad that Miranda has support, such a horrible, horrible time for him.

Floisme · 03/03/2019 12:57

Joani Walsh has also tweeted that Miranda Yardley 'should have been better supported by women'.
Followed by 'among those who did know there didn't seem to be much going on... Maybe there were reasons. I was just surprised.'

I have to say I'm surprised too at the low key coverage from some GC feminists. This would surely have set a legal precedent and been massively damaging if it had gone through?

QuietContraryMary · 03/03/2019 13:09

Joani is a bit odd. The trial was announced and over in the space of a few hours. What did she expect?

Floisme · 03/03/2019 13:15

Well clearly it was well known in some circles as some people did show up to support Miranda. I imagine Joani's having a pop at certain people who maybe knew but kept quiet? I know she can be a bit of a loose cannon but I'm quite fond of her.

howmanybiscuits · 03/03/2019 13:16

If Joani means at the court - well, I'm in loads of GC groups and this wasn't publicised. First most of us heard of it was on the day.

Perhaps Miranda didn't want loads of people there?

Nephilim1964 · 03/03/2019 13:16

A lot of people had zero idea what was happening until Debbie Hayton mentioned on Twitter that she was waiting for her turn in court.

Popchyk · 03/03/2019 13:16

I knew nothing about it. I didn't see anything on Miranda's website about it either.

Did Miranda have an injunction that prohibited him from speaking publicly about the case?

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 03/03/2019 13:18

I didn't have a clue about this until Debbie tweeted that she was actually in the court waiting to give evidence.

Flowers for Miranda who has paid this price for being an indefatigable, brave and brilliantly articulate advocate for sanity, compassion and freedom of speech

Nephilim1964 · 03/03/2019 13:18

Also very glad that Terf was officially acknowledged as a slur.

Popchyk · 03/03/2019 13:19

I can totally understand why Miranda (even if there was no injunction in place) would want to keep it relatively quiet.

That's his prerogative.

howmanybiscuits · 03/03/2019 13:19

it was well known in some circles as some people did show up to support Miranda

Miranda had several people there to give evidence, e.g. Debbie Hayton and Stephanie Arai-Davies and others. Not all of them were called as the case was chucked out.

Were there other people there to give support? Could they have been Miranda friends?

userschmoozer · 03/03/2019 13:19

Joani Walsh has also tweeted that Miranda Yardley 'should have been better supported by women'.

I didn't know anything about it. I thought I was following Miranda but it looks like I've been muted or blocked. So I assume there's been some sort of trouble, and thats why it hasn't been discussed outside of close knit circles.