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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Miranda in court

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EweSurname · 01/03/2019 12:11

I didn't realise Miranda Yardley was in court today over alleged transphobic harrasment.

Debbie Hayton
@DebbieHayton
At Basildon Magistrates Court where Miranda Yardley is on trial for transphobic Harassment. The prosecution applied for reporting restrictions to prevent the complainant Helen Islan from being named. The judge has not granted them. So Helen Islan can be named.

Sending Miranda good luck vibes.

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youllhavehadyourtea · 02/03/2019 22:52

The mail describes Helen as a 'transgender activist' who 'works with trans advocacy group Mermaids, which campaigns for children who want to change gender.'

Not a charity, a campaign group

And they call her a TRA, because after all it's just shorthand, isn't it?

OvaHere · 02/03/2019 22:56

Glad this has got in the paper. Weird reporting though - the headline describes Miranda as a woman but then later in the article they qualify with this

On one side was Yardley, an accountant, who describes himself as a transsexual and identifies as a man, even though he underwent gender reassignment to become a woman ten years ago.

Do they do this on purpose or are they just at a loss as how to properly report these stories following the press guidelines forced upon them?

ColeHawlins · 02/03/2019 22:58

They're confused. It's the weekend.

OlennasWimple · 02/03/2019 23:01

Ewe - look at this police website regarding reporting crime

Each section is succinct and neutral - until the hate crime bit, which is longer than the other bits and contains stuff like "if you report it you can help stop it happening to someone else"

Why the difference, I wonder?

failingatlife · 02/03/2019 23:02

Not sure if this has been posted. Sonia
Poulton disinvited from BBC Big Question. tomorrow .

Miranda in court
Datun · 02/03/2019 23:03

That Mail On Sunday article is going to confuse the hell out of its readers.

ColeHawlins · 02/03/2019 23:06

Yes, I'm just phrasing my comment to include some exposition.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 02/03/2019 23:09

They sound totally confused of how to describe Miranda.

EweSurname · 02/03/2019 23:12

Miranda describes himself as male but is a transsexual so I think the mail introduces him as such and then uses his preferred (and accurate!) pronouns for the rest of the piece

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 02/03/2019 23:14

They got the fact that this is someone from mermaids in there, which is nice.

ChesterGreySideboard · 02/03/2019 23:15

And to not use someone’s preferred pronoun is literal violence as we know.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 02/03/2019 23:15

It's confusing because technically describing Miranda as he breaks HQs guidelines, even though it's correct.

ErrolTheDragon · 02/03/2019 23:16

I guess they've been having to pander to transgender people who 'identify as women' for long enough that they can't get their heads around a rational old-school transsexual transwoman who has had treatment for dysphoria but still knows he's a male.

QuietContraryMary · 02/03/2019 23:16

I think the headline misses the obvious which is 'transsexual, 51, cleared of transphobic hate crime'

As it is it's quite confusing. Who is the woman? Who is the activist? Which one is being transphobic?

OvaHere · 02/03/2019 23:20

Yes, seems like a missed opportunity for first trans person taken to court for transphobia headline.

Datun · 02/03/2019 23:20

I know. They're not going to know whose side to be on!

And yes it would've made a much better headline to have played on the fact that it's a transsexual who is being accused of transphobia, by a non-trans person.

ColeHawlins · 03/03/2019 00:23

It's confusing because technically describing Miranda as he breaks HQs guidelines, even though it's correct.

This is true.

@MNHQ doesn't this need looking at? Transsexuals are being discriminated against there.

Needmoresleep · 03/03/2019 00:25

They also failed to mention the value of Miranda's home. Nor Helen's.

They are slipping.

PreseaCombatir · 03/03/2019 00:36

Part of me is thinking that the CPS has taken the most ridiculous version of these complaints to court, a trans person being accused of transphobia by a non trans person, to make damn sure it got kicked out and sends a message to the police.
The other half of me thinks that it wishful thinking and thanks heaven that the judges are still sane and can see straight through the bullshit

FlyingOink · 03/03/2019 01:19

archive.is/5F2r0
Archive link for Whittle job

GlorianaCervixia · 03/03/2019 02:14

This piece by James Kirkuk is excellent, as always, and explains very clearly why debate is needed and how it has been stifled. A great article for people who are just discovering what’s been happening and are mystified by it all.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6765249/JAMES-KIRKUP-Britain-FINALLY-coming-senses-transgender-madness.html

PreseaCombatir · 03/03/2019 02:30

Any investigation must consider the role of Mermaids, an influential trans-lobbying charity that pushes doctors to fast-track children to treatment and uses dubious statistics to claim that children who don’t get that treatment might kill themselves
Amazing 👏👏👏

Yeahnahyeah · 03/03/2019 02:49

That's a great article gloriana

terfsandwich · 03/03/2019 06:00

That Manning article is terrible. It positions the reader to interpret the "woman" as a genuine transphobe, thus there is no immediate sense of injustice and Orwellianism. It's just confusing. Miranda's self described identity as a man with male pronouns should have been respected.

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