Miranda in court

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I didn't realise Miranda Yardley was in court today over alleged transphobic harrasment.

Debbie Hayton
‏ @DebbieHayton
At Basildon Magistrates Court where Miranda Yardley is on trial for transphobic Harassment. The prosecution applied for reporting restrictions to prevent the complainant Helen Islan from being named. The judge has not granted them. So Helen Islan can be named.

Sending Miranda good luck vibes.

What I don't understand is when you question a tra/Mra they can only come back with insults or slurs.

Ad homeniem attacks are par for the course in propaganda. They are used because they have nothing else and because the intent is to intimidate or silence.

They do it precisely because there is no argument.

It's not something you need to understand!

What I don't understand is when you question a tra/Mra they can only come back with insults or slurs.

When you question a persons closely held beliefs, or present them with information that contradicts these beliefs it can trigger the same kind of response as if you physically attacked them. If these beliefs are core beliefs, the greater the distress and the more over the top and disproportionate will be the response.

Looking forward to the Prick News report of this.
I am sure they are working on it right now, ready to publish, just as soon as they have got around to reporting on the case against Linda Bellos also being thrown out of court, that is surely coming, any day now....

Just watched Miranda’s video. Basildon “suffering some terrible decay”. God, you’re so right 🤦‍♀️

Fucking well done for surviving the last ten months with sanity intact.

We have to be aware that TRAs will be re-grouping and working out how to get a case like this through successfully. This cannot happen - we must be able to speak the truth (even if the truth gets us banned from twitter, or deleted on MN) - the truth still currently stands up in UK courts. Thank goodness.

Thingybob I agree, bumping up the stats might well be a huge factor in police overreaction to baseless complaints.

I'm going to pitch a piece on this. I have to keep telling myself this is real.

A trans person is on trial for transphobic harassment.
The complainant is not trans.
In the defence bundle there is evidence of the complainant harassing trans people.
The judge hears the prosecution case and chucks it straight out - no evidence was presented and so no case to answer.

What the blazes has been going on? Have a guess which organisation has been training the police force who investigated the case And who is closely connected with that orgnaisation.

Something is very wrong.

The police need to encourage hate crime reporting and the CPS need to run with some transphobic hate incidents. [.....] Therefore, the police need to encourage more reports so everytime a lawyer, Dr or angry TRA rings 101 about a slight annoyance the police are happy as it can be recorded as a transgender hate crime.

That's an interesting take Thingybob and
I completely get your point about hate crime reporting/prosecution statistics. What troubles me about it though is that domestic abuse is still recognised as the most under reported crime and yet the most costly to the public purse (more than one police call out every minute, two women a week being killed, the cost of domestic homicide reviews, etc. etc).Why is transphobic hate crime such a biggie in comparison to this, given the already over-stretched resources
of the police and no-one's actually dying?

General observation - I don't expect anyone to actually be able to give me an answer...

@BettyFloop I don't know the answer either but it might be something as simple as pressure from lobbying groups (& political allies) and being able to demonstrate action. Police all over U.K. are suffering huge funding cuts, I wouldn't be hugely surprised to hear top brass are under pressure to demonstrate they're able to cope, and that they're adequately assessing diversity related crimes.

Debbie not just the police.

This CPS document was linked upthread a bit. Illuminating.

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/assets/media/CPS%20Transgender%20Equality%20Management%20Guidance.pdf

The recurring question is "Why are the Police and CPS so keen to investigate and prosecute?'

It comes back to the Maria Miller Enquiry and the recommendations

Hate crime

50.Legal changes are critical, but they will only bite if there is cultural change too—by society but also by those who enforce the law. (Paragraph 266)

51.The Ministry of Justice must ensure that it consults fully with the trans community in developing the Government’s new hate-crime action plan, so that the proposals are well-targeted and likely to be effective in increasing levels of reporting. This plan must include mandatory national transphobic hate-crime training for police officers and the promotion of third-party reporting. (Paragraph 267)

In other words, the police are acting on the instructions of Parliament. It is driven from the top.

it consults fully with the trans community

Further to the above

Note that Maria Miller's Committee is keen to ensure that policies are written by-- framed with the help of pro-trans lobby groups.

This and other recommendations are the origins of putting Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence et al, at the heart of policy development in public services like the police and CPS

Every time we ask 'how did this happen?' we don't need to look much further than the Women and Equalities Parliamentary Group, and the report that kick-started the erosion of sex-based rights, and the promotion of gender identity.

That’s interesting and terrrifying, pam.

"And the promotion of third party reporting"

Do I understand that correctly to mean a person reporting a crime that doesn't affect them personally. Eg if I see a hateful tweet aimed at another person?

I suppose, from what I understand, this covers the case against Miranda does it? The crime was perceived to be aimed at the child (who is trans) rather than the mother herself?

Let's hope they don't regroup and try again.

As has been noted previously, and with reference to another thread, all this fuss over hurty feelings yet getting a rape case prosecuted is waay too much trouble.

Dr Louise Raw
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@SoniaPoulton
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@joaniwalshi
Judge flagging it up as a matter of ‘international importance’ is hopefully an indicator that this will have an impact

Judge flagging it up as a matter of ‘international importance’ is hopefully an indicator that this will have an impact

Won't someone start on how the courts are institutionally transphobic and how justice for trans people needs to be in a separate kangaroo court with only trans judges?

Seriously though that strikes me as this being something that has been spoken about in senior circles of the judiciary as a threat to the rule of law in some way. That judge is going to get some shit for that comment.

RE the cps, DH did say that there could be another reason for it pushing this case to the courts. The cps have to decide if its in the public interest to take the case forward. Why put a case forward if the judge takes two seconds to say there is absolutely no evidence? Is it possible that the cos put it forward because they are dealing with lots of these ridiculous time wasters and think it's in the public interest to put it forward knowing that it's a pile of shit because of the media interest and how it might stop some of these ridiculous vexatious cases.

Can someone quickly summarise the outcome please? (I'm scrolling frantically up and down but can't see it.)

"waste of time and money and made a joke of the legal system"

Miranda also got her legal costs awarded back, which is a very rare thing.

Oh good. Thanks

Looking at SH's tweets, that seemed to take pains to point out they sought a CIVIL injunction, am wondering if the civil route will be the next iteration for TRAs.

Lower standard of proof, can't be thrown out early because it's bollocks. They have to pay, of course, and don't get to use the police as their personal goon squad, but still...

waves to Debbie

Thank you for your input!

Miranda also got her legal costs awarded back, which is a very rare thing.

Really? That is great news.