Rapper Zuby breaks British Women's deadlift record...

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I have just seen this on the www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3518988-Rachel-McKinnon-weightlifter-and-Abigail-Shrier#prettyPhoto thread posted by Clitherow and felt it needed a separate mention. If I was on twitter I'd follow him!

twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1100348562041462784

Clitherow wrote:

Don't know if this link has come through - never done this before, but rapper Zuby breaks British women's deadlifting record (whatever that is - sport not my thing) whilst identifying as a woman - pisses off Rachel Mckinnon and gains 2500 followers in 24 hours

The more different voices that point out that the TRA position is bonkers the better. We are all going to be disappointed if we expect every one of those people to align 100% with feminist views.

I've always been against the idea that we all have to march in step on every single issue. My mother was an arch-feminist back in the 50's but I disagreed with her on a number of issues and that's fine in my book. I still loved her and appreciate the barriers she broke down for women.

The confused realization was my impression from reading lots of befuddled feminists on twitter seeiming to think that because the man agrees that men dont belong in women's sport, they can take it as read he will have had an epiphany about anything else.

Though, don't take this as a cross critique- I fully understand how desperate you can get for any glimmer of support and feel like you're losing your mind when things seem so bloody obvious. I'm just saying let's keep clear heads and focus, and we'll save ourselves from disappointment and wasting our time.

I am actually pondering a new tattoo myself. How about Glinner on the upper arm, raising his pipe when I flex?

How about Glinner on the upper arm, raising his pipe when I flex?

genius!

Yep, he appears to be a self important wanker. Arguing that women demanding bodily autonomy makes them slaveowners, which is quite the reversal of reality and failure of critical thinking for someone who apparently is Oxford educated.

So his position is that women's bodies are different from men's bodies, yes, and they are also still the property of men, not their own.

MRA: You're different and so I should get to control you
vs
TRA: You're not different and so I should get to control you.

Meh.

basically Zuby fits in the red conservatism / religion circle in the classic diagram

he understands that sex is physical and non changeable, but also thinks that lady brain is a thing and that women should accept the gender roles society wants to impose on them

he's alright jack, so no need to think about the challenges faced by women

Wait a sec, I thought you were all big Zuby fans?

Man, things move fast on here.

We're going to have a lot of non-feminusr allies because the genderism issue is larger than feminism: it's about reality-based law and politics, totalitarian imposition of belief, science-denialism, the extreme privileging of feelings people used to have to,learn to manage themselves, and medicine gone rogue, particularly with children.

Perfect summing up Bicker

Zuby is entitled to his views. At least he's got principles, you know where you stand with him and he is not pretending to be pro-feminist.

I would never have worn 'Team Zuby' gear but I am not going to start slating him either.

I'll certainly slate him for believing that women shouldn't be able to control their own fertility

but his assistance in the matter of showing how incredibly unfair it is for males to compete in women's sport is appreciated

as Barracker says, Zuby is just another man who wants to control women. His reasoning may be a little different to the males we've been seeing round here lately, but the end result is the same

All the Zuby thing shows is how universally ridiculous men taking women's sporting medals and records is.

I've no doubt there are millions of men out there that think the same thing without necessarily holding any other feminist views or even respecting women on a general basis.

Many men will find it an absurd concept to laugh at for a couple of weeks but still not care that much about the actual impact it has on women's sports. A lot will take the 'and nothing of value was lost' attitude because women's sports is still often viewed as lesser. I get the impression their disgust over this comes from a place of disliking men they see as inferior or pathetic in comparison with men who heroically battle it out with other men.

I don't know if Zuby falls into this category because I haven't followed the story but it's a train of thought that is very prevalent in comment sections I've read on this issue.

believing that women shouldn't be able to control their own fertility

Is he against contraception? I didn't spot that. I thought he just believes in the sanctity of life and thinks men and women shouldnt have unprotected sex with eachother if they arent prepared to take responsibility for a baby - (pretty hardline for the modern times) from having a quick look at his twitter just now. I might have missed some of it. He also thinks abortion is acceptable to save a woman's life/health or if the foetus has a life-limiting defect - so doesn't seem extreme on that front.

If he is actually pushing to take away existing abortion rights then yes, I'm happy to slate him, but if he just believes in the sanctity of life and judges abortion to be immoral, without thinking the law should cover those morals, then I i'll spend my energies elsewhere.

Graham's comment on that thread was heartbreaking

As others have said, him recognising sex exists because it advantages him in some way doesn't make him any kind of an ally. It makes him a resource.

I've forgotten who said it recently - I think Natasha Chart - but setting aside purity politics and pragmatically treating those with whom we disagree as a resource is the clever thing to do, especially in times such as these.

If I see people that get us closer to our objectives as resources instead of allies I'll be far more likely to be able to achieve something worthwhile.

So, if a sexist dickhead inadvertently advertises the gross unfairness of identifying into women's sports, so be it.
I'll take that amplification of a message and it's benefits, whilst denouncing all his shitty views, and leave owing him nothing.

Apparently he thinks late term abortion is done out of convenience to women. I can’t even begin with how offensive that is. Fucking get in the sea you dick. It’s always the women’s fault isn’t it?

Is he against contraception? I didn't spot that. I thought he just believes in the sanctity of life and thinks men and women shouldnt have unprotected sex with eachother if they arent prepared to take responsibility for a baby - (pretty hardline for the modern times)

That’s the impression I got too. Which I have to say is my own personal view. I wouldn’t have sex unless i could go through with a resulting pregnancy.

But being female, i realise for a lot of women that isn’t a position they are lucky enough to be in. Women and girls are under a lot of pressure to “put out”, from simply not wanting to split with a boyfriend at 14 to a long relationship with DA.

Which is why I will always be pro choice. ETOP will never be not needed.

ah, a man who talks about things he doesn't understand

what a novelty

Yes I think there is a blind spot to rape, child abuse and other forms of coercion which result in unwanted pregnancies.

vIs he against contraception? I didn't spot that. I thought he just believes in the sanctity of life and thinks men and women shouldnt have unprotected sex with eachother if they arent prepared to take responsibility for a baby - (pretty hardline for the modern times)

No, he thinks WOMEN shouldn't have unprotected sex. It makes no odds for the man, does it- he's not the evil witch having the abortion. He genuinely thinks women get to late pregnancy and think 'nah, can't be fucked with this- I'll have an abortion'. The way that undermines the trauma of the women who do have late-stage abortions just reeks of arrogance. Don't even get me started on the pressure on heterosexual women to have sex without a condom because it's not as good for the man apparently and is sooo much hassle. He's a misogynistic dick- please people don't try to stick up for him just because he did the deadlift thing.

No, he thinks WOMEN shouldn't have unprotected sex.

He definitely thinks men shouldn't have unprotected sex, or any sex I think, unless they are prepared to be a father. He doesn't absolve men from responsibility.

If you would criminalise a woman for her abortion, then it goes far beyond personal belief and into the realm of legally sanctioning women's bodies as property of the state.
It ventures into refusal of healthcare, even when it is in a woman's best interests.
It becomes a form of two tier humanity. Those who are free, men, and those whose bodies we can control for the benefit of others. Women. Resources.

I have respect for those people who personally reject abortion but uphold the principles of bodily autonomy and so reject abortion laws that criminalise women for choosing their own path to end their pregnancies.

If you would criminalise a woman for her abortion

Is that what he believes?

Once again- a man looks promising then turns out to be an arsehole. Sooooo disappointed.

He illustrated one (obvious, in my opinion) position - that men competing in women’s sports was unfair.

It’s wonderful that he highlighted this to a large audience but this doesn’t make him anything more that someone pointing out the obvious.

The more this is in the public consciousness, the better!