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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

2019 Canada Winter Games will allow athletes to compete as whichever gender they identify as.

100 replies

happydappy2 · 21/02/2019 18:17

No requirement for testing or medical intervention.

This will work out really well for women competitors-any Canadians on here? Any resistance?

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FermatsTheorem · 21/02/2019 19:11

Includes judo and boxing

ShockShockShock

Strictly speaking I suppose the categories are "open" and "open", but let's face it, no transmen are going to win anything in the "men's" (sic) category.

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/02/2019 19:15

I think this is great. It will bring the debate further on.

And be unfair.

SpeakUpXXWomen · 21/02/2019 19:22

Anyone else being earwormed by Kyle's mother singing "Blame Canada"?

FeministCat · 21/02/2019 19:30

So, the Canada Winter Games include all the following:

  • Alpine (and Para Alpine)
  • Archery
  • Artistic Gymnastics
  • Artistic Swimming
  • Badminton
  • Biathlon
  • Boxing
  • Cross Country Skiing
  • Curling
  • Figure Skaing
  • Freestyle Skiing
  • Hockey
  • Judo
  • Long Track & Short Track Speed Skating
  • Ringette
  • Snowboarding
  • Squash
  • Table Tennis
  • Trampoline
  • Wheelchair Basketball

On the official viewing schedule they still designate the sports as "male/singles male/solo male/doubles male" etc or "female/singles female/solo female/doubles female" etc so it is misleading.

I am Canadian. These are being held in the province I have chosen to call home for many years. This is pretty appalling.

The comments I have read in news articles have shown a lot of people are peak-transing even if they don't know that is what they are doing - comments saying that this is absurd, delusional, gaslighting of the public. I know in one article on CBC it seemed EVERYONE agreed this was completely nonsensical and the end of women's sports.

I think a lot of people may not even be aware yet here of this policy (most I have spoken to aren't at least) but I do think a lot of people might hit peak trans when they start wondering why there is a bloke competing in the "female" judo competition or on the "female" gymnastics team.

Bowlofbabelfish · 21/02/2019 19:33

These Games include Judo and boxing

Put simply, someone will be killed.

GoFiguire · 21/02/2019 19:34

I’m going to self ID as an Olympic sportsperson and when they question my talent I’ll sue them for discrimination HA!

WeRiseUp · 21/02/2019 19:38

God. Women are doomed.

FeministCat · 21/02/2019 19:38

"The CGC recognizes that sex and gender are not the same thing, and that individuals are born with different combinations of sex and gender as part of their identity,” the policy states. “This policy aims to set the conditions by which the CGC and its Host Societies will create a safe and welcoming environment for transgender or intersex participants at the Canada Games.”

If they recognize sex and gender are not the same thing, why are they letting people compete and LIVE in opposite sex housing depending on what gender they "identify as"?

It's going to be awfully easy for, say, Team Ontario to load their team of "female athletes" up with men who "identify" as female or as non-binary and wipe out any other team, etc.

I feel awful for the female athletes, who now get to share their sports and housing, and compete against, men who have decided play-acting as a female is a great way for them to win some medals. I am just hoping the peak trans comes from others seeing the absurdity, and not from, say, sexual assaults or anything else in the housing situations...

Knicknackpaddyflak · 21/02/2019 19:41

and then you realise that no, the other side don't believe that. And it's not just the TRAs, that's the worst thing.

This.

I reached my forties before realising how skin deep the nod towards women's rights have been, how resentful men have been about it and how skin crawlingly gleeful many are about having an excuse to openly smash women down.

Except the 1950s are not coming back, and women will not be getting back in their fucking box.

WeRiseUp · 21/02/2019 19:47

I reached my forties before realising how skin deep the nod towards women's rights have been, how resentful men have been about it and how skin crawlingly gleeful many are about having an excuse to openly smash women down.

Depressing but true. It amazes me how many men on social media or btl comments seem to think a kind of "I told you so" or "serves you right" position, when they hear how women's protections have been twisted and used against us to remove the very rights they were intended for, makes any fucking moral sense.

It's like 'ha! Well if you hadnt raised your hands to block that punch then your fingers wouldn't be broken, would they? That'll learn you!".

Fairenuff · 21/02/2019 19:54

Excellent.

Is there a shooting yourself in the foot event.

Because they're going to win it.

Bowlofbabelfish · 21/02/2019 19:58

Except the 1950s are not coming back, and women will not be getting back in their fucking box.

They know that. Force will be needed.

I worry.

FeministCat · 21/02/2019 20:01

I should also add, that though this is a "Canadian only" event, it is seen as a pretty important step for many athletes towards the international stage. A proving ground of sorts.

SecondRow · 21/02/2019 20:07

Put simply, someone will be killed

It seems that only male categories are listed for boxing. So even though women's boxing has been in the Olympics for a while now, perhaps there's not much of a scene in Canada. So an ambitious girl might well be tempted to enter the effectively open male category, as there was none for her anyway, even before this new gender policy.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/02/2019 20:12

I hope that Transwomen win by miles in every category.

theredjellybean · 21/02/2019 20:18

I can't wait to see trans women competing in rhythmic gymnastics...the one thing a real female athlete might still win...

SpeakUpXXWomen · 21/02/2019 20:22

OP I think this should also be posted as an AIBU, tell everyone. It is completely batshit and needs a good public airing.

TimetohittheroadJack · 21/02/2019 20:27

I wonder if the self id will extend to the wheelchair basketball where I could self id as being wheelchair bound and then jump out my seat, dribble the ball and score a few hoops. *apologies if you don’t dribble in basketball, I’ve got a year to learn the game.

DoctoressPlague · 21/02/2019 20:27

It amazes me how many men on social media or btl comments seem to think a kind of "I told you so" or "serves you right" position, when they hear how women's protections have been twisted and used against us to remove the very rights they were intended for, makes any fucking moral sense.

It's a common one. And so fucking stupid that there's no point even replying, people who think like that are too far gone.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/02/2019 20:32

Oh ffs. So, they acknowledge sex and gender aren't the same thing?

Fine. There is no rational need to segregate by gender. Compete as whatever gender you want.

But segregate by sex, or women + open.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 21/02/2019 20:57

It amazes me how many men on social media or btl comments seem to think a kind of "I told you so"

Yup.

'you feminists wanted equality. Enjoy.' Which basically means: this is your fault for daring to get above the station in life designated for people born with female anatomy.

AND, yet having your inferior signifying female anatomy is also inversely called a 'privilege'. Which is the newly fashionable way misogynist men have come up with as a socially acceptable veneer while they try to dictate who women are, what their body parts and functions can be called and what women can do with it.

The lot of them can bore off.

AbsintheFriends · 21/02/2019 21:07

Slight aside: Canada used to be top of my bucket list of countries I really wanted to explore. A trip of a lifetime place.

Now I wouldn't go if you paid me.

EdtheBear · 21/02/2019 21:18

Ontario is scary. Their school curriculum includes teaching 7 year olds 7 genders.
Male
Female
TransMale
Trandfemale
Transsexual
Two-spirited
Inter-sexed

It really is wtf, and why do such young children need to know that?

Kettleon80 · 21/02/2019 21:20

What the heck is Canada trying to do?

It seems to have some kind of inferiority complex and is trying to make a name for itself with this wokest of the woke behaviour.
It is madness.

What is this agenda?

FermatsTheorem · 21/02/2019 21:26

I suspect they're compensating for their utterly shitty treatment of their indigenous peoples. By getting all woke about the transgenderist religion, they can award themselves brownie points without having to admit to the raging inequalities in their society and the sexual violence, disappearances and murders of countless indigenous women.