2019 Canada Winter Games will allow athletes to compete as whichever gender they identify as.

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No requirement for testing or medical intervention.

This will work out really well for women competitors-any Canadians on here? Any resistance?

I wonder how the betting world will cope with TW in women's sport. When there is an obvious male body competing how do they set the odds? Would people still place a bet or would they just not run a book if the outcome was so predictable?

There are safety issues with accommodation here too - atheletes villages being mixed sex is not maintaining the safety of women.

There are safety issues with accommodation here too - athletes villages being mixed sex is not maintaining the safety of women.*

Don't athletes often share bedrooms, say a twin room in a hotel? Do they expect a female to room with a TW, because if TWAW, this shouldn't be an issue, should it?

This is the girl guide scenario possibly coming to bite them on the bum.

They do share. And there’s always an article every Olympics about how many condoms are handed out and implying everyone is at it like rabbits.

Mixed sex sharing seems like a fast track to lawsuits.

Yes let's wait for the inevitable headlines that a 'woman' was sexually harassing and assaulting other women in the athletes villages. Or that a 'woman' became visibly aroused when changing with other women.

Just as well cycling isn't on the programme, otherwise some poor soul might have had to put up with the infamous world champion as their 'roomie'

Gosh, I can imagine the salivating over the pillow fights and pyjama parties.....

Oh, Canada 🤦🏻‍♀️

Just catching up on this and haven't read all comments but does anyone else suspect that the non-binary brigade are going to jump on this as I actually think craziness could go one step further. The sports are classified as male/female but you only have to identify as one or the their, no proof required, you don't even need to specify you're gender on your forms...so if you're non-binary what do you do? How can these poor athletes participate if they don't identify as one or another?

I agree with the PP that, particularly with the contact sports, someone (a woman) will be very seriously hurt if not worse.

I used to kick box and would train with the boys and they would be nervous as hell. It was a training exercise for them to hold back as much as it was a learning for to hone my technique. They obviously never unleashed their full power. Had they done so I would have been floored within a few minutes.

This is either going to peak trans a nation and be the Pre-cursor for the Olympics or it really is the beginning of the end.

www.dailymotion.com/video/x2wmnje

*How is judo a winter sport?

Do they do it out in a snowdrift?*

It’s the winter games not just the “winter sport” games. We have like 6 months of winter in some places here, we don’t stop all non-snow sports during that time ;) Not sure for something like Judo it matters whether it is in the winter games or summer games, the mat in both cases is inside.

Iused2B. I have watched that clip of weightlifters with my mouth open in disbelief. It’s like turkeys voting for thanksgiving. How can those women be comfortable with including men in their competition? They must know that they will be beaten to the medals and they have worked so hard.

Later as a teenager in 2013, she formed the Purple Rainbow Tails, a company were she styles rubber mermaid tails to raise money for others like her. In that same year, she battled with the United States Soccer Federation (USSF) to allow transgender girls to play on the girl’s team. The lawsuit went on for about Two and a half years. She received support from the National Center for Lesbian Rights and later succeeded in changing the USSF’s policies to allow trans students to play.

Who is this about? Jazz jennings. Grim. www.google.com/amp/s/answersafrica.com/jazz-jennings-bio-family-boyfriend.html/amp

What were those weightlifters thinking about. At least it hasn't reached a huge audience.

Women need to wake up or it will be the end of womens sports.

She received support from the National Center for Lesbian Rights and later succeeded in changing the USSF’s policies to allow trans students to play.

I suppose back in 2013 the lesbians hadn't woken up to the agenda. I certainly had no idea of all this back then. Does the national centre of Lesbian Rights now include men who say they are lesbians?

And those bloody weightlifters. I'm feeling very grumpy this evening. Those weightlifters give me the rage.

Why do they say 'trans people and trans people of colour'?

I really don't understand why some women support this.

“^Why do they say 'trans people and trans people of colour'?
^”

Transcolour people.

It’s layering of oppression. Not just trans, but bipoc! It allows them to appropriate the genuine struggle of a group.

And yet it’s a movement which is overwhelmingly white. And middle class. And Male. So not even slightly oppressed.

@FeministCat do we know each other? (Pm me?)
Dd2 is competing.
I have been gritting my teeth and trying not to think about it. There aren’t any transgirls in her field, and I know the teammates she is sharing with. The vast majority of these kids are still in high school - it’s not an adult national level competition (and McKinnon aged out a loooooooong time ago).
It’s shit and it makes me feel sick.

Watch the first weightlifter woman when she states that trans women should complete as women. She's doing a lovely 'no' shake of her head at the same time. I'd suggest she doesn't believe it either.

Just catching up on this and haven't read all comments but does anyone else suspect that the non-binary brigade are going to jump on this as I actually think craziness could go one step further.

I think you may be right about this. I came across this article when I was looking for coverage of the Canada Games (I am in Canada but these games are not that big deal and there hasn't been a huge amount of coverage.) vancouversun.com/news/local-news/new-policy-allows-canadian-trans-student-athletes-on-teams-consistent-with-gender-identity

But he is critical of the policy’s absence of language to include non-binary athletes, who don’t identify as either male or female. This is a common shortcoming of policies aimed at inclusivity, he said.

“It’s great that they have selection power, but if there is no corresponding category for them to select that is authentic to who they are, it’s really a bit of a moot point,” Scott said. “Oftentimes, they have to make tough decisions if there are only binary sports divisions — which is the majority of sports.”

This issue could be resolved by splitting divisions and teams by categories rather than only gender, such as by muscle mass, hormone level or weight class, Scott said.

Other solutions to explore could include dividing athletes into categories by their best competition times, or adding a third category to events where non-binary participants can compete, Scott added.

There are so many issues with all of these suggestions (except the last one). Divide athletes based on competition times? Suddenly the 768th fastest man in the 2018 100m sprint is challenging for Flo Jo's all-time world record. In most sports women's results would be so mediocre by comparison that they likely would be pushed out of competition altogether. Can't these women who identify as non-binary see that THEY TOO would be entirely pushed out of sport using rules like these? Utter madness.

Its bonkers how can any right minding person think its ok for men to complete in womens events.

I could almost forgive the IOC if they'd said after reconsignment surgery, knowing very few actually get operated on.

"Reconsignment surgery"

(I do realise it's auto correct obv but it is rather a good one )