And then they came for the heterosexual men

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I Asked My Crushes Why They Won't Sleep with Me

When a straight guy says he is not into me, nor other trans women, I feel butthurt–emotionally and, unfortunately, not physically.

broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/3kgvab/transgender-sex-chasers-cisgender-men

broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/3kgvab/transgender-sex-chasers-cisgender-men

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Although the entitlement is breathtaking, the conclusions drawn aren’t actually too unreasonable. It’s far more generous to the men than others have been towards lesbians (although it goes without saying that no one has to justify their sexuality, which makes the whole premise of this article awful)

Oh FFS. The entitlement is staggering.

What is a “punchable smile”?

I've just read the vice opinion piece and I think I gave a better understanding as I have taken a stance/opinion on this issue at all

donajimena you are absolutely right, the authors self centered "me me me" entitlement with a side order of "It's not fair" was too much for me. If this is stereotypical, then I'm saddened and now do understand the stance often taken here about this issue.

OP thank you for finding and posting that article, for me personally, it's been very informative

These trans women think they have created the perfect woman. Because that’s what their male gaze deems them to be. Basically they’ve kind of split off and have a male and female persona. The male persona idolises the female and believe all straight men or lesbians should also believe they have created a perfect woman.

When lesbians and straight men don’t, it is seen as the ultimate rejection and they cannot cope with the cognitive dissonance that they’re not actually seen as a woman by the wider public. After all they’re just perfect women. Rather than admit they’re wrong they make it the fault of the lesbians and straight men.

The reason they desire lesbians and men only formerly attracted to natal women is because to bed these people is confirmation they have made it as a woman. Anything else is too difficult to bear.

On rejection they become very angry as the male persona is defending their woman. This transwoman seems more in touch with their feminine side and is perhaps more wounded more than angry. It doesn’t make their behaviour any more appropriate though.

I cannot imagine as a natal woman begging a man to fuck me in this way, can you?? It’s gross. Bless. 🤮

I liked the article below as well. They feel that porn misrepresents them. Aww. Ya think? You and half the human race luv.

Oh, the entitlement!

Why doesn’t the author seek a trans man?

Kalinka I also wondered why trans men were excluded from her dating pool. If TWAW then TMAM and should be equally desirable, surely! Or doesn’t it matter if these poor rejected trans men would be feeling ‘butt hurt’ too.

Incidentally is it true that lots of trans people find their sexual orientation changes after transitioning? If that is so it explains why they think it should be so easy for others to do the same on being re-educated to wokeness.

Incidentally is it true that lots of trans people find their sexual orientation changes after transitioning
No, where'd you get that idea from?
It changes in the sense that a straight man (man attracted to women) becomes a "lesbian" (Transwoman attracted to women, which imo is not actually a lesbian at all) or a lesbian women transitions to become a straight transman (or repressed lesbian). People's sexuality is fixed.

Incidentally is it true that lots of trans people find their sexual orientation changes after transitioning? If that is so it explains why they think it should be so easy for others to do the same on being re-educated to wokeness

In my somewhat extensive experience, what they mean by that is that previously straight men become gay women, and gay men become straight women.

Qcng sorry I should have made it clear that this is not my opinion but a quote from the article in the OP.

No there is a bit of this actually. There are some straight men who have sex with men after transitioning.

On objective measures their orientation dosent change though (ie those test where they watch different sorts of porn and scientists test arousal levels) they are just more attracted to themselves and to the idea of themselves having sex as a woman than they are to anyone else male or female.

It's all a big validation game.

My friends were implying that heterosexuality is male attraction to women

ummmm

well it is (plus female attraction to men of course)

This is the bit I was referring to:
Simply, some say desire is a predetermined variable, while others find it to be something in which we are inculcated. But we also know that desire is flexible: for example, trans girls’ (and more broadly, trans people’s) sexual attractions often change after starting transition.

Omg this doesn’t read as if they are just talking about terminology post transition. I suspect some of these men are sexually attracted to other men pre transition but suppress it until they are trans women and then label it at ‘heterosexual’ sex. I would be surprised to find that a gay man would suddenly find themselves attracted to a biological woman post transition.

what did that actually mean?

I feel like I’m failing at the game of heterosexuality–when actually, heterosexuality is failing me

I have met loads of men in my life who categorically did not want to fuck me

it never occurred to me that the whole of heterosexuality was wrong

interesting take from Sessi. Also, this person should come with a health warning for their room mates. Good heavens

Its written in such a pornish way it makes me recoil and I'm no prude. Heterosexual Men don't want the author because they are not into male genitalia. As usual though only trans feelings matter not anyone else's.

Anyone else thinking that with really good psychiatric help, Sessa might, after a few years, have lived happily and successfully as a gay man? Transitioning has probably made Sessa’s chances of a happy relationship much more limited. I don’t know whether transition works well enough to be truly justified as a treatment for intractable GD, but it should never be a first line treatment in young people.

*Sessi

There is some evidence to suggest that some transwomen, having only slept with women, start sleeping with men.

The theory is that having sex 'as a woman' becomes an overwhelming sexism desire, so the male partner is just a prop. Someone fulfilling a role. Whether that constitutes a change in orientation or not who knows. But that's what the article is referring to.

Sexual not sexism! Although....

To be clear, whatever the indecipherable mechanics of male lust may be, it’s not that boys as a category won’t fuck me. (Grindr begs to differ.) Rather, it’s that I, along with many other trans girls, are quick to label guys who openly and eagerly desire us as “chasers,” a pejorative used for suitors who see trans women as a part-time kink or a full-time game. So, I quickly write off these sexual solicitors. Instead, I thirst for the boys who have only ever chased cis girls. It’s these guys who won’t fuck me.

That does seem like a bit of a losing proposition, doesn’t it? Rejecting men who specifically fancy you and only going for the ones who don’t.

Thanks GoGo and Datum. That is interesting.

Mostly the usual sense of entitlement mixed with glimpses of rationality. What they don't seem to realise is that when these men can't come up with reasons not to sleep with them, it's not because they can't think of anything, it's because they're being polite.

Also, this:

"Brains can understand that trans women are women–but a boner only knows the five senses. If I was a Good Feminist, after all, I would be fucking other trans women by now."

First sentence - well, no, the brain understands that trans women are men, just as the sexual instinct does. Second sentence - maybe the writer should think about having sex with trans men? That would be more logical.