And then they came for the heterosexual men

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I Asked My Crushes Why They Won't Sleep with Me

When a straight guy says he is not into me, nor other trans women, I feel butthurt–emotionally and, unfortunately, not physically.

broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/3kgvab/transgender-sex-chasers-cisgender-men

Well, of course - remember in the brave new world, we are ALL under the Stonewall umbrella and we can ALL join Grindr.

I bet they’ll be dead chuffed.

But one thing I do know, and something that has become abundantly evident, is what an utterly compelling, driving force sex seems to be for so many.

This. It's something that people like to pretend isn't the case. But it's transparent.

And the problem, at the end of it all, is rather simple, Xris says: “We’re never really called women.”

Truly a puzzle for our times why this is.

What they are experiencing is male privileged in a misogynistic world. Of course they can become a woman because woman means nothing but what a man wants it to be.

Changing male sexuality is out of their reach, because straight men aren't expected to change what they are. 'Woman' might have changed definition, but 'straight man' hasn't.

Yes, exactly.

Apparently, you can fool yourself but not anyone else.
Who knew, eh?

You know, reading all this I'm just saddened by the way some people revolve their whole lives about pursuing sex, and not only that but sex with a very domineering, controlling desire. What could they have achieved if they'd turned their ambitions and energy to some other more laudable and less self-obsessive aim?

It is absolutely a male trait too.

But then I'm a boring vanilla middle aged cis woman

You are a woman. Don't start using the c word on here!

I been here since it was all fields It was irony

Swiss army knife pussy......that's a new one on me!

Part of me keeps wondering what they people are going to do when they hit 50. Will they stop taking hormones and attempt a semi realistic expression of a real female experience, the menopause? Or will they continue to chase the Male expectation of 'femininity'?

Because if this person is upset at not getting what they want sexually as a younger person, I can't wait to see what they think it's going to be like as an older person.

The crazy thing is, I've found the menopause a deeply satisfying transition; one that they might choose to bypass.

This trans statement of 'the right to exist' is just a euphemism for 'the right to have what I want regardless of how that impacts on anyone else'. This includes sexually and with reference to boundaries and consent. The gaslighting and emotional blackmail are natural parts of that.

A women, on the other hand, who states her right to exist, is named a bigot, a criminal or a fascist for simply wanting to live their life without pressure from others to behave in a certain way nor being allowed to so no.

It is all about power and validation and pursuit of that power. And women are not allowed any of it.

Ribosomes

Old age in 20-30 years time is going to be very interesting. Probably a lot more osteoporosis among those who didn't go through puberty** and also due to poor diets including the rise of veganism/dairy free diets meaning poor calcium intake. I think there will be a lot of ill health related to youthful activities. A gp I know is expecting to see more Parkinson/dementia type problems related to recreational drug use for instance. I'm not expecting any residual NHS to be able to meet the needs/costs.

This distinction carries weight for some, because the penis is sometimes stigmatized within lesbian culture

That's like saying the lamb chop is sometimes stigmatised within vegetarian culture. Well, yes, because that's the point of being vegetarian.

YY nauticant. Many actively get a kick out of pulling off the most outrageous twisting of reality/truth they can get away with. And I believe they compete against each other to better it. Massive power trip.

Oh, yes, I think that's an overlooked part of this. For those in the trans community driven by a fetish, the biggest payback isn't just validation, it's coerced validation when the target provides the validation against their beliefs and instincts, and the person with the fetish knows this and gets an extra hit from the validation being coerced.

It concerns me considerably that those with fetishes can use the trans community as a shield and lash out with impunity whenever they feel challenged. I have never seen anything like this in my life.

Anyone else thinking that with really good psychiatric help, Sessa might, after a few years, have lived happily and successfully as a gay man?

I think this is a really important point from AnyOldPrion and the impact upon future sexual relationships is another huge reason why there are risks for young people and children of being offered puberty blockers and hormone therapy.

I do truly believe that if somebody with gender dysphoria would prefer to transition, fully knowing that they may find it hard to have a fulfilling sexual life in their new gender, then it sounds like the right decision for them.

But who can understand this aged 11/12? More to the point, would Mermaids or similar point out the disadvantages to them? Then, at the age of 20 how do you feel when you see your peers having fun, falling in love etc but you can’t seem to ‘meet’ anyone who wants you? You might ‘pass’ really well, get your dream job, but no legislation in the world can guarantee you the relationship you want. Sessa does come across as entitled but I’d love to know if anyone went through the cons as well as the pros of becoming a girl with her.

Maybe this is just my imagination taking things too far but I’d love to know the back story.

Absolutely nauticant

It took me working my way through much of the transwidows thread to finally get it intellectually. It's not about people just being, it's about fetish-driven transwomen doing, and doing what they do to women, particularly those who are close to them. There seems to be a great deal of barely suppressed rage involved. It is a very dark business.

Cluster B

www.mentalhelp.net/articles/dsm-5-the-ten-personality-disorders-cluster-b/

NATALT, obviously.

Ereskigal
Yes, am no expert but am in agreement. Then add a disproportionately high number of people on the spectrum coming out as trans. Often those, most easily exploited and manipulated.

I showed this article to my partner and, once he'd stopped laughing, he pointed out the elephant in the room: the majority of hetrosexual men he knows don't like cock and don't like anal sex with a person with a cock. That's why they're hetrosexual...

nauticant

I agree, the transwidows thread is a real eyeopener.

Out of many irritating things, it was annoying that the writer refers to themself as a girl when they are clearly far over 18. And will probably still be doing it when themself is 60.

(Autocorrect is furiously underlining 'themself'; well I refuse to use correct grammar when the words I want to use will get my post deleted 🙄)

The use of 'punchable' / 'slappable' faces, wtf? Is that how men talk when I'm not listening??

Oh, yes, I think that's an overlooked part of this. For those in the trans community driven by a fetish, the biggest payback isn't just validation, it's coerced validation when the target provides the validation against their beliefs and instincts, and the person with the fetish knows this and gets an extra hit from the validation being coerced.

It concerns me considerably that those with fetishes can use the trans community as a shield and lash out with impunity whenever they feel challenged. I have never seen anything like this in my life.

Me neither. The government truly is considering legislating a fetish. And they refuse to acknowledge it, even as a possibility.

Whether that's ignorance or arrogance, I have no idea.

But what it is, is absolutely unforgivable. It's patently obvious to anyone who takes the time to look how the rage involved in misgendering and deadnaming is beyond all rationality.