Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-women-should-entitled-womb-13972102

"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

"The most important step is the harvesting from the donor as great care is required to avoid damage to the arteries and veins supplying the uterus.
Trans females have a much narrower pelvis than cis-women of the same height, but there would still be room for them to carry a child.

“Supplemental hormones could be taken to replicate the changes that occur in the body when a woman is pregnant.

I've always said Freud would have an absolute field day with all this.

I still don't care.

What do you care about?

Yeah but a back-arm could keep it's hand on your shoulder, reassuringly. And stroke your hair whilst you were doing something stressful. And hold a torch when you were working under the car bonnet and frankly it would be worth it for that alone. High fives would get higher, home knitted jumpers would get weirder, and people standing too close behind you in a queue could get a poke in the eye.
But gills would also be amazing. And wings. Although I don't fancy a metre wide breastbone to support them. I think it would make doors tricky.

The surgeon in question should fuck off.

Forgive my ignorance here

Ignorance is not forgiveable.

HTH

Why isn't pretending to have a period viewed in the same way as 'black face'? 'Bleed fannying'?

The last time I went to see a gynecologist it was a man. The junior doctor who was shadowing him... was also a man. If you've only got a problem because it is a transwoman... then that's transphobia.

And as I've already stated... transwomen are not men. They're brains have developed the same as women... considering we experience the world through our minds, that's a pretty significant thing to be ignoring here. I very much doubt anyone chooses all the abuse they get for being trans because of a fetish.

There seems to be a lot confusion, a transwoman is someone who most likely suffers dysphoria caused by the female development of their brain. They are not the same as crossdressers, non-binaries, and drag queens... who are men. And as I said, if their tackle is useless because of surgery or drugs... then where is the threat?

Our biology is not responsible for the way in which men treat us. That is a social thing... it is a crime. Are you saying that all I am is my biology? That it is my fault for being raped? That I should've been born a man and then I wouldn't have to face violence? Because that is a load of tosh.

Human rights are HUMAN - they concern us all. While you are getting all hot and angry about transwomen because of your prejudices... the men in power are laughing at your distraction. They are laughing because you are focusing your energy on a group that these men would quite like to eliminate from the planet. You are doing the job for them. Your arguments, that do not stand up to scrutiny, that can easily be disproved with 10 minutes on Google are contributing to the spread of misinformation, hatred, fear, and mistrust of these people. You ARE complicit in the violence against transwomen. You ARE complicit in male violence. If you spread hate and venom against a vulnerable group in society then you are contributing to their oppression.

These people face the same violence, the same rape, the same trafficking, the same prostitution as we do. They may not deserve your compassion, but they do deserve not to be kicked on their way down. If you can't replace your hate with love, then at least replace it with indifference and get with the real problem... misogynist men and incels in positions of power... the rise of the far right... the suppression of women... religious intolerance of women. These are the real challenges. Not taking pot shots at the easiest group in society to bully. People who are bullied should learn not to deflect their hurt and pain onto other vulnerable people and instead address the cause of that hurt and pain by challenging the bullies (aka 'real' men).

I spend enough time online fighting the far right and incels without having to come here and fighting the same battles against women who call themselves feminists but seem to have misplaced their anger. If you want to contribute, get onto the news forums and challenge these men who support Tory MPs who block legislation against upskirting. Challenge them on social media platforms! But please stop wasting time on a group of people who would probably jump at the chance to help us in our war for true equality.

And all this stuff about chemicals and blood vessels etc. You do know that they've successfully done this in a woman whose vagina did not develop correctly. The procedure has to be done by caesarean section which means the size of the pelvis is irrelevant.

www.bbc.com/news/health-46438396

Just entertaining this fantasy for a nanosecond; you can bet your sweet life that the bodily autonomy of the pregnant person would take priority for once.

They're brains have developed the same as women...

I haven't read any further but I'm so, so sorry you've been led to believe this fake science. Neuro trash.

*their

No confusion from me despite my woman brain

Jazzbunny

Cross dressers etc are all listed as being under the trans umbrella by Stonewall who's tagline is acceptance without exception. So they are trans.

And TRA are pressing to have gender dysphoria removed as a diagnostic criterion for being trans. All you have to do is say you feel you are.

Couple that with Stonewall and you have the situation where Pips Bunce is a woman on the days he says and a man on the rest. And Humptydumpty is female if he says he is. Doesn't even have to say it three times.

Jazzbunny you sound rather naive and by transactivist standards every bit as much of a 'bigot' as us. It's transphobic to suggest that the basis for being trans is dysphoria.

The concept of lady brain is just sexist nonsense.

Where does this nonsensical idea that transpeople are the most vulnerable and oppressed people in society come from? There's not a shred of evidence to prove it.

Good. Lord.

Firstly, the female brain stuff is not true. Someone sciencey might be along to deal with that.

Our biology is not responsible for the way in which men treat us. That is a social thing... it is a crime. Are you saying that all I am is my biology? That it is my fault for being raped? That I should've been born a man and then I wouldn't have to face violence? Because that is a load of tosh.

Our biology is a fact of life that makes us vulnerable to the way men treat us. No, you are not only your biology, but if you are raped, your biology is a relevant factor in your vulnerability. Where in hell are you getting the 'it's my fault if I'm raped, should have been born a man' stuff? You can't be born a man. That's the point Being raped is the fault of a man. Being vulnerable to rape is not a value judgement, it's a fact of our biology that we're quite keen to acknowledge as it's the basis of all sorts of rights and protections for women.

please stop wasting time on a group of people who would probably jump at the chance to help us in our war for true equality.

Because issuing rape threats, bomb threats, general threats of violence etc. towards us is obviously an overture to working alongside us in a battle against people who want to beat, rape and kill us, amirite?

They say so. Funny that - but try to persuade the Labour Party that they have a mysogony and anti semitism problem...

procedure has to be done by caesarean section which means the size of the pelvis is irrelevant

The size of the pelvis is completely relevant.

I remember a professor at uni lecturing on foetal development. If a person grew a benign tumour the size of a uterus and term baby in their abdomen, their lungs and internal organs would be compressed to the point the individual would die.

It is not known how a woman can grow such a mass and not suffer catastrophic organ damage, from the sheer size.

A narrow pelvis will exacerbate the issue. Women have evolved a wider pelvis to accommodate the extra volume of a uterus and ovaries etc, not just to push a baby through.

And the “female brain” thing is proven bollocks.

Here's the science bit:

(A tiny bit)

parentingsciencegang.org.uk/web-chats/how-different-are-womens-and-mens-brains/

www.southbankcentre.co.uk/blog/fighting-neurotrash%E2%80%A6-professor-gina-rippon-fake-news-sex-differences-neuroscience

(I'm not this woman. I just like her way of trashing the trash.)

Jeez I hate being told what to what to think and who to support
Especially by a person who said I have a lady brain

I hate it

Yeah my lady brain is feeling all faint from the science talk.

Shall we chat about cakes or summat?

Toilet training. Vegetables. All this lady brain can cope with 🍺

And as I've already stated... transwomen are not men. They're brains have developed the same as women.

Don't be ridiculous. You sound like a gullible child.

You do realise, don't you, that these feminist boards are populated by endocrinologists, scientists, gynaecologists and midwives.

There are 126 million females missing across the globe due to being aborted on the basis of their biology. Not their gender identity.

The transman who was raped in the back of the taxi? Sobbingly telling the police but I kept telling him I was a man.

You sound very confused about feminism.

Women are oppressed on the basis of their biology, due to their reproductive potential. Emotional, sexual and domestic labour.

Gender is the means by which it is done. Gender is not just a series of stereotypes, it is a hierarchy.

Women were considered too feeble to educate, too ignorant to manage money, they needed to be the property of men, their role was to supply sex on demand (Rape within marriage was only made illegal in the 1990s). All these things are gender. Sex-role stereotypes assigned to women, on the basis of their sex.

Redressing this is feminism.

You seem to think that gender is completely innate, and that's why women are oppressed. Because they must innately supply sex on demand, because they must innately work in the kitchen making the sandwiches. Because they are innately worth less money. Because it is innate and natural in women to be commodified and bought and sold in prostitution.

Nothing to do with the hierarchy where society tells men they are entitled to buy women to wank into.

I've seen this before, from teens. Who say women's oppression has got nothing to do with their sex, it's all about their gender.

Gender is the means. It is the oppression.

A quick way of proving it is to see what kind of stereotypes transwomen adopt. Sexy clothes, heavy make up, the pout, the knock-kneed look. Paris Lees saying how hot it is to be objectified and be treated like a piece of meat. Or Monro Bergdorf posing in a bra saying 'all women are a fantasy - no exceptions.'

Or Shon Faye's advice to teens - suck dick, get tits early.

Gender stereotyping is harmful to both sexes, but it's more harmful to women. And just look how men promote it.

And now you, jazzbunny, are claiming it's innate. It's how women think. And if men think like that, they must be women, because what was it? "their brains have developed the same as women".

And the women on mumsnet shouldn't be talking about feminism.

Honestly, your misogyny is palpable.

They're brains have developed the same as women
Not true
doubt anyone chooses all the abuse they get for being trans because of a fetish
It's part of the fetish for some of them. Sissification is about humiliation.
If their tackle is useless because of surgery or drugs three points:1/ 80-90% don't have surgery or take hormones. 2/ the guy who suffered an axe to the face wasn't any safer because the person who attacked him had his penis removed and 3/ this is insulting to any man who has lost his genitalia through cancer or war injuries. Bomb blasts often result in genitalia being removed. Are those men no longer men?
Our biology is not responsible for the way in which men treat us our biology puts us at risk. The responsibility sits with the attacker, of course. But the attacker can see we are smaller, weaker, and capable of being impregnated.
These people face the same violence, the same rape, the same trafficking, the same prostitution as we do
No this is not supported by the evidence. Homosexual transsexuals in Brazil being murdered in prostitution does not affect the risk faced by middle aged IT workers in the home counties.
These are the real challenges you don't get to choose what the real challenges are, sorry.
please stop wasting time see, you don't get to decide what's a waste of time either.
If other issues are more important to you, crack on. Nobody here is stopping you from doing what you want to.

Wow that's so well written and clever Datun. Do you have a man Brain?

(Go Datun!)