Is lingerie empowering to women?

[NeurotrashWarrior]

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/01/30/munroe-bergdorf-female-empowerment-lingerie-trans/?utmsource=Facebook&utmmmedium=Buffer&utmcampaign=PN

Are these the kind of empowering messages our young girls need?

Please by all means promote ways in which gender stereotypes are smashed but I'm not sure lingerie is going to do this.

I'm rather confused by what PN are doing in this article. I'm semi convinced they're double bluffing.

I'd really like this thread to stay please as these messages and discussions are extremely important for young girls and boys. I'm shouting a tad lot more into my cuppa.

I was looking for a different recent article about the number of women celebs taking up boxing but this is better, and definitely empowering.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2017/jul/14/fight-like-a-girl-the-female-boxers-of-the-democratic-republic-of-the-congo?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

I wouldn't call lingerie empowering. And actually the chicken image someone mentioned on mumsnet about that particular advertising campaign has made me view the entire range as considerably less sexy than I did 4 months ago when I treated myself and my partner to some.

The women who are modelling the range look great though - you need to scroll down the blog post to see them.

Having said that, lingerie does make me feel sexy because I can see how my partner likes to look at me when I'm wearing it. It is his response to the lingerie that makes it sexy, rather than the lingerie being empowering for me. I wouldn't wear it for myself.

For every day sexy comfort I can recommend the Rosie range at M&S.

I believe that bras are empowering to women

my ease of movement is reduced if I'm not wearing a bra, and sports bras allow me to exercise without pain

however I don't think Munroe's bras would be of much help to me

so well designed, practical comfortable undies - empowering

scratchy nonsense made from man made fibres and designed for the male gaze? - not empowering

sorry Munroe, you're talking mince (again)

Yuck, all women are ‘the fantasy’?

Which range are you talking about?

I think oxy gets what I'm saying.

I love my hot milk breastfeeding bra as it's comfy, functional and holds them up, while and is nicely smooth under tee shirts. It's empowering me to bf but I don't wish to be a fantasy ta muchly.

my ease of movement is reduced if I'm not wearing a bra, and sports bras allow me to exercise without pain

Excellent point

No Knickers?

On balance, probably disempowering.

The invention of period pants is pretty empowering I suppose.

As was that neat little invention that meant girls in rural parts of Africa could quickly and easily wash reusable pads, helping them to attend school.

No.
It's itchy to women.

Yes I always need cotton against my skin.

so well designed, practical comfortable undies - empowering
scratchy nonsense made from man-made fibres and designed for the male gaze? - not empowering sorry Munroe, you're talking mince

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Regarding education and curriculum; women's hour recently made the point that breastfeeding is rarely included in SRE.

The commentator who was a deliverer of SRE said there was never enough time to include it, as time was always limited.

I'm on to my third cup of tea and have broken out the cadburies.

It's such a lie isn't it - the more uncomfy/strappy/pleasing to the male gaze, the more "empowering" it is. Empowering in what way? Having the stamina to wear pinchy, synthetic pants all day with the likely outcome of thrush? A kind of endurance test?

One google is opening up a wealth of amazing pictures:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/dec/11/women-boxers-of-gleason-s-gym?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Plus some extremely functional underwear.

Quite spam.

I love this example of extreme endurance:

www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/17/jasmin-paris-first-woman-win-gruelling-286-mile-montane-spice-race-ultrarunning

The word "empowerment" wasn't used at all in the Jasmin Paris article. I wonder if it would have been if she'd raced in her pants. Empowerment has come to mean practically the opposite of its true meaning.

Everything you need to know is in this one comment.

Bergdorf told the Metro that she developed her lingerie line because she feels comfortable with her own appearance.

Bergdorf has spent thousands and thousands of pounds to change their appearance just about as much as a human being can.

Bergdorf's entire value system is in their appearance. And they've had to change it as much as possible.

It's the opposite of sending a message that is empowering.

Particularly to women who are left in no doubt that a patriarchal society places their value firmly in the way they look to men.

I also predict that it's a gimmick. It doesn't empower women and I can't see which cohort of men it would appeal to either.

datun I've finally properly understood non binary trans via this. Trans in terms of sex but still don't wish to or need to go nuts over the stereotype of the other sex.

Except my brain then feels they kind of cancel each other out .

Yes it's essentially lingerie for MB.

Very interesting spam.

Why doesn’t putting on a pair of pants and a bra become empower ing

I don’t even know what empowering really means and have seen it used for stripping

Empowering over used word and always seems like it’s used for women

Bergdorf's entire value system is in their appearance. And they've had to change it as much as possible

It’s a really important point. It’s remarkable we are told to accept them for who they are, when it’s so patently obvious they do not accept themselves.

If getting your bits out in scratchy underwear was empowering, why aren't all the men in power doing it?

Or women in power for that matter? When was the last time Andrea Merkel or Theresa May got their bits out to boost their power?

I don't want to be 'empowered'. It suggests I have a deficit that requires some external agency to enable me to find and use the power which is in my possession.

I don't have any deficit that is solved by a bit of silk, nylon or lace enabling me to exercise power and authority. Wearing silk, nylon or lace is not some magic catalyst to utilising internal power and authority.

My power and authority can be exercised whatever I wear or don't.

No. Liking something is not the same as it empowering you.

This is not rocket science.