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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is lingerie empowering to women?

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NeurotrashWarrior · 05/02/2019 09:46

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/01/30/munroe-bergdorf-female-empowerment-lingerie-trans/?utmsource=Facebook&utmmmedium=Buffer&utmcampaign=PN

Are these the kind of empowering messages our young girls need?

Please by all means promote ways in which gender stereotypes are smashed but I'm not sure lingerie is going to do this.

I'm rather confused by what PN are doing in this article. I'm semi convinced they're double bluffing.

I'd really like this thread to stay please as these messages and discussions are extremely important for young girls and boys. I'm shouting a tad lot more into my cuppa.

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2ndWaveFeminist · 06/02/2019 08:40

The juxtaposition of the slave in chains with munroe in lingerie replicating the chain pattern is disturbing. If Munroe was a white designer they would be rightly criticised for this.

Datun · 06/02/2019 09:07

Yes, the 'look'. I can't remember what they call it, Shon Faye is a big practitioner.

Soulless, blank, submissive.

Definitely says power to me!

Honestly, what were they thinking calling daft lacy lingerie empowering?

Might as well advertise pinnies as empowering. They're not kidding anyone. And everyone knows it.

littlbrowndog · 06/02/2019 09:13

Jean that is great
I didn’t even think of that but yes very true

AngryAttackKittens · 06/02/2019 09:30

"It's knickers, love, not the vote"

Justhadathought · 06/02/2019 09:33

I think some surprising things are empowering to women, washing machines for example. I often put a wash on and then walk away thinking 'thank god that's the end of my involvement in this'

Surely you then need to take it out at the end of the cycle, then put it to dry, and then maybe, even, iron some of it?

AngryAttackKittens · 06/02/2019 09:34

What is this "iron" you speak of?

TescoValue · 06/02/2019 09:39

Nothing makes me feel less empowered than reading "all women are the fantasy" piss off

AngryAttackKittens · 06/02/2019 09:43

Also, "the fantasy"? Whose fantasy? We don't even get to be a specific person's fantasy, we're just a sort of amorphous blob of Sexy?

WrathofRancidKlopp · 06/02/2019 09:43

FlippinFumin
I feel pretty safe now after watching countless crime dramas. It seems that only women with matching bra and pants get murdered
So are crime writers subliminally suggesting the women were asking for it?

I never noticed this, but I will looking out for this now.

NeurotrashWarrior · 06/02/2019 10:00

What is this "iron" you speak of?

Grin

Yeah that's my approach to laundry too!

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NeurotrashWarrior · 06/02/2019 10:15

Fabulous Jean, thank you. Hadn't spotted that. I went off to do some more googling and found this article, explaining the collaboration rather than MB's own line.

www.elle.com/uk/fashion/celebrity-style/a26084137/munroe-bergdorf-is-the-face-of-a-lingerie-campaign/

"Lingerie for me is something that has to make me feel my best self. I don't want to feel like I'm somebody else, or someone else's idea of attractive."

Um...

Two outfits, with the neck things, are called 'harness.'

So empowering.

Regarding crime murders, certainly throughout the history of art there's been a 'thing' of the reclining dead female nude, or partially dressed nude. (To be fair, there's quite a lot of men in paintings like this too, often martyrs.) It definitely though became more of a theme for women in art as time moved on. I read a short book about it once and would love to get hold of it again.

In anatomical art for medical books, the women were usually dramatically reclining, the men usually in some power pose (Vesalius I think.) (I could go on but was part of my dissertation so I'll stop.) (It would be a very different dissertation today btw!)

This has followed through to current fashion photography trends for ill or dead looking models lying draped in awkward poses, as of murdered.

Don't recall ever seeing men's clothes being advertised like this.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 06/02/2019 10:17

The juxtaposition of the slave in chains with munroe in lingerie replicating the chain pattern is disturbing. If Munroe was a white designer they would be rightly criticised for this.

Quite.

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littlbrowndog · 06/02/2019 10:19

Iron 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

SpamChaudFroid · 06/02/2019 15:27

When I was putting my puppy's harness on earlier it reminded me of the underwear discussed in this thread! All the fiddlesome clips and buckles!

He tells me he doesn't find harnesses empowering either btw, it hampers his inner wolf and interferes with the important business of chasing stuff.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 06/02/2019 15:33

YY to the blank look

It’s quite peculiar and has really stayed with me

Justhadathought · 06/02/2019 15:49

I was browsing in a shoe shop a few months ago, when a child of about 9/10 years of age caught my eye and my attention. S/he was trying on girls shoes, with mother and grandmother in attendance. S/he had a short hair cut, and pink corduroy trousers on. S/he seemed in a bit of a trance - like a satiated breastfed baby. Not only being the centre of attention, but also contemplating what it might mean to be a girl.

I knew in an instant this was a boy who was playing with the idea of being a girl, and was being enabled in this by parents and others.
What most struck me was the totally assumed 'blank expression'; the passive countenance ( that requires anything but passivity to achieve); of the sort that is common on girls and young women when they wilfully objectify themselves for the male gaze; or for the gaze of any who might consider them pretty.

That really struck me!

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