Is lingerie empowering to women?

[NeurotrashWarrior]

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/01/30/munroe-bergdorf-female-empowerment-lingerie-trans/?utmsource=Facebook&utmmmedium=Buffer&utmcampaign=PN

Are these the kind of empowering messages our young girls need?

Please by all means promote ways in which gender stereotypes are smashed but I'm not sure lingerie is going to do this.

I'm rather confused by what PN are doing in this article. I'm semi convinced they're double bluffing.

I'd really like this thread to stay please as these messages and discussions are extremely important for young girls and boys. I'm shouting a tad lot more into my cuppa.

I've never worn lingerie. Just big knickers.

Well if I considered female empowerment to be helping a bloke get a stiffy, then perhaps.

This is it in a nutshell. Perfect.

Making a bloke feel good is empowering to the woman?

It would make me feel good if DH did all the housework.

I take it that will be empowering to him then.

Excellent.

Nope. My Sidi bike boots on the other hand...

I think some surprising things are empowering to women, washing machines for example. I often put a wash on and then walk away thinking 'thank god that's the end of my involvement in this'

if I had to pound everything in a tub I certainly wouldn't have time for philosophical debates with you vipers.

Didn't Madonna start this empowering crap when she was in her pointy bra phase?

Frankly I often need to pound things in a tub after a debate online...

I’m aware all women are the fantasy that’s why I’m a feminist.

Yup. Clothes that I actually find 'empowering' or a semblance thereof:

Boxing wraps. I feel tougher when I'm putting them on.
Sports bra. Running makes me feel more powerful.
DMs. In the olden days.

My new running top with built in 'gloves'. The one piece of clothing that is more practical than the male equivalent. Sucks to be you, male runners, with your fragile masculinity that requires no built in gloves. Bwahahahahaha. Or at least that's what I said to DH when he complained.

Oddly, I've just realised sunglasses. Not sure if that's a 'gaze avoidant' things.

Wise words from Tracy King:

I can’t stop thinking of “all women are fantasy” or whatever the phrase is, as whispered by someone on a perfume advert. Woman in sexy dress, pressed against a wall, and a man whispers in her ear “all women are fantasy. The new fragrance from .”

'all women are fantasy' would be better

it's that 'no exceptions' that's so fucking creepy.

and 'the fantasy' like there's a specific fantasy that we all understand and buy into

you are like me. you've got no choice

where have I heard that before?

I know: ‘Transwomen are fantasy’?

Since the word 'empowering' is used by Munroe to mean 'subservient to the patriarchy' the answers probably yes.

I can't see those bras fitting anyone with real tits, they're the wrong shape for those of us naturally well endowed

All women are fantasy also sounds like a hidden message. Women often say the definition of woman is not a feeling in a man's head.

Looks like this is saying, it absolutely is.

Good luck with that message!

Nah, Mun-hun, undies are just undies. Try this one : Adult human females being free to speak about our bodies and our experiences, without males sticking their big man-noses into our business, is 'empowering'.

pussy hats at women's marches certainly made some women feel empowered

What I find genuinely empowering is picking up a barbell with very heavy weights on it and lifting it well. This generates actual power in me.

I quite like sexy underwear but as someone else said liking is t the same as empowering or double lollies and kittens would be the most empowering things ever.

Aw you lot, still coming up with alllll the ways this doesn't work! FWR rocks.

That's a great tweet by Tracy King.

I've certainly learnt a lot more about the word empowering through this thread; TK has it bang on.

FWIW I've never bought or been given 'lingerie.' I'm finding more any more that the reasoning behind historical gut reactions to things I've had lies in feminist theory.

But also that I've never seen any lingerie I can be arsed to spend £££ on that look especially comfy, nor practical, and being sexy for me is being naked , tbh I spent many years trying to spend as little as possible on bras. I think I saw it as another tampon tax. Yet another thing women have to afford that men don't.

I know BernardBlacksWineIcelolly, but they weren't allowed as they were exclusionary.

I haven't read the whole thread, so someone may already have said this.
I saw a meme the other day that went along the lines of

I feel pretty safe now after watching countless crime dramas. It seems that only women with matching bra and pants get murdered.

An, ermmm, interesting range of bras.

Not sure about some of them being the first thing I take off when I walk through the door,bit would be the first thing I took off when walking into the office.

My big boobs aren't that obliging for any of them to be comfortable.

being sexy for me is being naked

Haha yes I have always thought this as well. Not that nudity has to be sexy, but we've all got our sexiest outfit for free. That attitude is a bit of a bummer for capitalism though.

Where does the real power lie in our society?

Not with the people dressed in frilly knickers

Snowbear, I suspect you might be incorrect.

Given the overwhelming support that transactivism appears to have around the world, I strongly suspect there might be quite a lot of frilly knickers hiding under those slick suits that male government ministers wear.

The woman I can think of who was empowered by lingerie was Janet Reger who became a very rich business owner. The brand she built continues well after her death.

No. It's underwear. It's meant to keep your bits covered and your boobs from bouncing around to the point of discomfort. Some of it is also meant to look sexy, and some of it may make the wearer feel sexy. Feeling sexy is not the same thing as being empowered.

(If it was we'd see male CEOs in late middle age prancing around in it, and honestly, can we not? Luckily they also know it's not empowering so hopefully will spare us the sight.)

Not wanting to "flog my own tweets" but I did my own deconstruction of the Munroe Underwear stuff here.

twitter.com/jeanhatchet/status/1091023196881592320?s=21