Greater Manchester Police claim “terf is not a slur”

[SlipperyLizard]

Unfortunately the tweet has now been deleted so you can’t see how royally Liam was getting his arse handed to him on Twitter, but here’s the original tweet in case your blood pressure isn’t high enough already today.

I think it is because its basic assertion is incorrect. No one wants, or at least wanted, to exclude any trans individual, they exist, they have the right to exist. Notwithstanding the daft and ever popular assertions, their existance is not being denied! Nor are any rights they may have.

Unless of course you think that asserting that transwomen are still men is exclusionary... or that asking that men respect women's dignity and safety is exclusionary.

It is a slur because it is a lie, a foul calumny practised upon any women to whom it is applied! It makes assertions that are not true and blacken her integrity.

Slur it most certainly is and every women should protest its inherent lie!

Rogue I don t just believe that people cannot become the opposite sex. I KNOW. So if I say men cannot become women what is exclusionary about that statement?

I don t just believe that people cannot become the opposite sex. I KNOW. So if I say men cannot become women what is exclusionary about that statement?

Some adults must still believe in Santa Claus, it makes as much sense :( But then... a huge number of people seem to believe in angels.

It’s offensive because of the power dynamic involved, where one group of people think they get to tell me who I am, despite me insisting I am not. Naming people is very powerful. Most people get to name themselves.

I am a feminist. I’m actually not a radical feminist at all. I certainly wouldn’t choose a name that focused on a non belief. Whether transwomen are women or not is central to their identity not mine.

If I have to have a label, I would go for Women-centred Feminist, but even then it’s tautological as feminists are women centred. Others seem to gave settled on gender critical feminists, which I’m not over the moon about, but I can live with it. Terf is definitely a slur 😡

I struggle to be offended by a made-up acronym used as a word, that I had never heard until recently.

Good for you. But irrelevant to people who do find it offensive.

Transwomen are still men is an excellent descriptive statement.

I liked it too, so much I have already used it look!

Definitely one to remember and use often!

Might be time to update my sticker supply

Oh Liam....well done GMP though, I wasn't expecting that actually.

As an aside though, did anyone see these screenshots on that thread from the GMP misconduct outcomes? That is one city police force, in 3 months?!!!!! Is that for real, that can't be normal?

Also, horrid misuse of the apostrophe on those documents as well!

Well I hope 'Liam' soon appears in those stats. I did see the Twitter thread. It was beautiful to see such a handover of ones arse

“Good for you. But irrelevant to people who do find it offensive.”

Yes, that’s quite apt. Everything I think is irrelevant to those outside my tiny mind, in a way.

It wouldn’t leave us much to discuss, if strictly applied, though.

"Just a descriptor. Anyone who thinks it is a slur has issues."

It is a pejorative term used to describe women who in any way refuse to go along with the trans agenda.
The people who use the term know full well that it is insulting, so please do not try to be so disingenuous.

When GMP talk about offensive comments and it being investiagted, I imagine they mean the repsonses, rather than Liam's original tweet?

These are the ones who said that women who don't want to get with dick aka lesbians were not welcome in manchesters gay village, after all.

So I think there is a possibility they are buying Liam a beer and lining up to have some chats about wrongthink with people who told him off.

H’sown tweet was deleted though.

they pulled the whole lot

said "offenisve comments"
No indication of whether they refer to the original post or the comments in response

I've read the thread now and they've not been back. Everyone assumes they mean the OP but I think not so fast.

Keep it neutral and everything’s they are a winner? Bravo!

notthingontellyagain the tweet says “The posts have been deleted and the incident is being investigated by the Professional Standards Branch” which presumably means it’s a professional and not the public that are being investigated.

Id prefer it to be clearer

They could be upset with his tone rather than content
And see it as bad wording meaning there were lots of 'offensive" comments in reply.

GMP have used word terf in their own campaign
I am cynical

If the police think that gender dissenters will be pacified by the investigation into an individual, then they have another think coming.
I don't buy scape-goats.

Liam, the City Centre bobby, is a product of his training and the police culture around the investigation of non-crime hate incidents. His tweets came about because Police Leaders have been Stonewalled

It's the police service as a whole that needs to go back to Maria Miller's Committee and say:

"Do you remember when you urged the police to crack down on transphobia because of all the horrific attacks and suicides? Can we check that you actually meant for the police to crack down on the people who were non-believers in gender identity? Because, if so, you can feck right off. As of today, we'll just stop responding to reports of transphobia, but feel free to get back to us when you've got some concrete evidence that transphobia is a thing. Oh and Stonewall can feck right off too.
Yours sincerely, police service.uk"

Tara Hewitt's response

Tara Hewitt co-founded TELI with Michelle Hudson and Jess Bradley and has had considerable influence within Greater Manchester eg NHS & university trans rights policies.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385533-Prominant-campaigning-role-of-Tara-Hewitt-NHS-TELI-Social-work-universities-etc

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374926-What-influence-does-TELI-have-on-government-public-services-and-charities-policies-Co-founders-include-Jess-Bradley-Tara-Hewitt-and-Michelle-Hudson

FFS Tara. No one is excluding trans. I despair.

I love the way they throw around the 'radical feminist' description as well, which makes it seem like a small cohort. Most GC women are ordinary women who've suddenly discovered that their very identity is being co-opted and they're being labelled with words they don't want. Recognising that she's under threat does not magically transform anyone into a radical feminist.

Liam, the City Centre bobby, is a product of his training and the police culture around the investigation of non-crime hate incidents. His tweets came about because Police Leaders have been Stonewalled

Likewise PC Gul (Humberside police)
"Confirming that he had spoken to Mr Miller for 20 minutes, PC Gul told the Telegraph he made the remark about the foetus because he had “learned it on a training course ran by a transgender person last summer”.

He added: “Although none of the tweets were criminal, I said to Mr Miller that the limerick is the kind of thing that upsets the transgender community. I warned him that if it escalates we will have to take further action. If someone comes forward and says: ‘I’m the victim of a hate incident and it’s really upsetting me’, then we have to investigate”.

see CroneInAMillion twitter thread:
twitter.com/CroneInAMillion/status/1082770527310278656
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"Well there's a thing. Because I filed a FOI Request to see who was involved in writing the police's National Trans Tool Kit. I found out it actually wasn't written by the police at all!

It was supplied by lobbying group Stonewall, then released without proper checks.

For those who missed it, in Nov 2018, the police released a hugely biased document that incorrectly advised all police forces that misgendering is a hate crime. Scarily, it implied that rejecting gender ideology/wrong body theory is also considered a hate crime.

However, they have left in other points of clear bias. For example, rejecting gender ideology/wrong body theory would still fall under the definition of transphobia.
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Freedom of Thought (and by extension disbelief) is protected under the Human Rights Act 1998, article 9. Trans people do have a right to believe they are literally the opposite sex but they have no right to compel this belief in other people.
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Seeing the police take a surprisingly controversial stance made me keen to investigate who exactly this definition had come from. So I submitted a Freedom of Information request to Surrey Police to find out. I received the following answer:

"The information that we hold is that the trans toolkit came from Stonewall. We do not hold any other information regarding this request other than it was ‘signed off’ by NPCC."

NPCC = National Police Chiefs' Council; a national co-ordinating body for law enforcement in the UK

We have to ask why lobbying groups are being allowed to write guidance and policy documents for the police and prison services. What is going on here? This can not be right."

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3487853-Harry-the-owl-visited-by-police