Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

[glitchliz]

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

'Woman' is a noun, and 'adult human female' is a fine definition as far as I'm concerned - it doesn't exclude trans women.

Just going back to this - the definition of a human female, biologically, is of the class that is capable of gestating live young and producing immobile gametes (ova). so yes, the definition does exclude transwomen. Can you clarify how transwomen May be of the class that gestate live young and produces ova?

Note of the class - the infertility or not of an individual is not a gotcha here.

Whoops! Missed an answer to the top two.

What do you think about the tens if thousands of young children who will grow up requiring a life time of medicalisation and be infertole , because they have bought into the very trendy trans cult?

I think lots of children require a lifetime of medication, and many people are also infertile. Are they happier after being allowed to transition? If so, good. Bodily autonomy is something I feel very strongly about - hence my opposition to the pro-life movement and the death penalty, among other issues - and that includes people having the right to live the way they want to.

What words would you use to describe members of the two biological sexes, should you be asked to explain human reproduction?

There are two types of human gametes, spermatazoa and ova. Some people produce one, some produce the other, other people produce neither. Some people have a delivery mechanism for spermatazoa, and other people have uteruses, which can be used to gestate a fertilised ovum into a fetus and eventually a person.

I see other people have got there first, but obvious question: what is female?

Also, how do you describe someone born with female anatomy? Is 'afab' the TRA word for biological women? How would you refer to biological women collectively?

What would you say is the biggest bit of misinformation we have, if the was just one thing you could correct what would it be?

Obviously the views on what makes a woman a woman are never going to aline with most of this forum, which is obviously your belief and right to that belief, as it's our right to disagree. But what are you views on acceptance without exception which allows anyone to be trans, including those with sinister intentions just because they say they are.
This must also be a concern inside the trans community surely?

I think CaptainKirks question is really important, and yet it is never discussed.

We got stuck at TWAW and can’t move past that. Yet women are natural allies issomuch that we have fought for the things TW need. But TRA alienate us.

Would trans people be more accepted in the world if there was some honesty here? That TW are TW, our experiences are very different, but both equally valid? I will never experience your life, and you won’t mine. We are different, but neither of us are lesser people for it.

Being pro-women does not equal anti-trans. Trans women should be pro-women surely? Isn’t this where we fix things between us?

Women generally don't find baseball bats empowering. A woman brandishing a baseball bat against a man may well find that bat used against her. However many mumsnetters do have a soft spot for furry bats with an overbite.

'Woman' is a noun, and 'adult human female' is a fine definition as far as I'm concerned - it doesn't exclude trans women.

This doesnt answer the question. What do you think the defining characteristics of being a woman actually are? Because once you remove any reference to biology (ie sex), as far as the gc position is concerned, then all that's left is sexual stereotypes (gender).
I have still not seen a single argument as to why 'woman' and all its legal connotations should be redefined to mean the sexual stereotype of a woman and not the biological meaning.

Do you realise the if self ID remove the medical element of Gender Disphoria the people with it are going to lose their already very inadequate but much needed mental health support?

This. Really very important.

There are two types of human gametes, spermatazoa and ova. Some people produce one, some produce the other, other people produce neither. Some people have a delivery mechanism for spermatazoa, and other people have uteruses, which can be used to gestate a fertilised ovum into a fetus and eventually a person.

And the words for those would be male and female or man and woman.

So what is your definition of woman or female if not people have uteruses, which can be used to gestate a fertilised ovum into a fetus and eventually a person.

What is your definition? What is the definition of people who include the above description, and transwomen, but exclude men.

There are two types of human gametes, spermatazoa and ova. Some people produce one, some produce the other, other people produce neither. Some people have a delivery mechanism for spermatazoa, and other people have uteruses, which can be used to gestate a fertilised ovum into a fetus and eventually a person.

Yes, but you haven’t answered the question. What are the words for each of those classes of humans?

*> What words would you use to describe members of the two biological sexes, should you be asked to explain human reproduction?

There are two types of human gametes, spermatazoa and ova. Some people produce one, some produce the other, other people produce neither. Some people have a delivery mechanism for spermatazoa, and other people have uteruses, which can be used to gestate a fertilised ovum into a fetus and eventually a person.*
The word 'woman' has historically been an accepted word used to describe people who produce ova and are capable of gestating a fertilised ovum. Why is it being appropriated to describe people who feel feminine, regardless of their plumbing arrangements?

I did so here

Yes, but you didn't acknowledge this was largely the result of lobbying by the women here. Would you like to do that in the interests of full disclosure to your Twitter following?

And apologies if I’ve missed the post, the thread is moving quickly, but can humans change sex?

(Not gender, sex.)

There are two types of human gametes, spermatazoa and ova. Some people produce one, some produce the other, other people produce neither. Some people have a delivery mechanism for spermatazoa, and other people have uteruses, which can be used to gestate a fertilised ovum into a fetus and eventually a person.

As these groups are distinct and mutually exclusive and humans producing ova cannot change to producing spermatozoa and vice versa, it would be very helpful if we had words to denote membership of either group.

Especially since being born into one of these two reproductive groups has real, material consequences for the members of the group that produces ova (because the group that produces spermatozoa has historically oppressed the former and continues to do so to varying degrees to this day), please suggest words to name these two groups of people so as to allow the former to address and fight the oppression of their group.

Members of the ova-producing group are of course oppressed because of the very fact of first their perceived future reproductive capacity and later their actual capacity (or inability or unwillingness to fulfil that capacity as those members of the ova producing group who do not go on to produce new members of either reproductive group, as well as those who only produce other ova-producing persons, have historically also been oppressed).

So what shall we name the members of these groups?

Thanks for clarity on where the empowerment bat is apt.

Interesting thread I'm glad they unbanished you Liz

Also Liz, in order to bold the particular question you are answering, put an asterisk either side of the bit you are copying. That bolds it.

Yes, but you didn't acknowledge this was largely the result of lobbying by the women here. Would you like to do that in the interests of full disclosure to your Twitter following?

All I know for sure is what Mumsnet told me, in their email, which I shared. I also shared a link to this thread. I'll happily explicitly mention this comment - but I can't infer MNHQ reasoning beyond what they've said explicitly, I'm not going to put words in their mouth.

I think lots of children require a lifetime of medication, and many people are also infertile. Are they happier after being allowed to transition? If so, good. Bodily autonomy is something I feel very strongly about - hence my opposition to the pro-life movement and the death penalty, among other issues - and that includes people having the right to live the way they want to.

But we don't give children 'bodily autonomy' in any other area, because we recognise that children are not equipped to make decisions about their body. It's why we have an age of consent, because society recognises that children under the age of 16 don't have to capacity to make those sorts of decisions about their body, ie. to take part in sexual activity with another person.

How is this any different?

How's this?

twitter.com/glitchliz/status/1090613919872368642?s=21

Ask me anything!

My only question is, What the actual fuck?

There are two types of human gametes, spermatazoa and ova. Some people produce one, some produce the other, other people produce neither. Some people have a delivery mechanism for spermatazoa, and other people have uteruses, which can be used to gestate a fertilised ovum into a fetus and eventually a person.

Do you recognise that the people with the 'delivery mechanism for spermatoza' (lol!) have oppressed the people with a 'uterus which can be used to gestate a fertilised ovum into a fetus and eventually a person' for millenia, and continue to do so all around the world? Do you think that that oppressed group should be able to come together to stand up for their rights against their oppressors and exclude anyone who is in that oppressing class?

How do you know you're a woman Liz?

What characteristics do you and I share that makes us both women, that we don't share with Tom Hanks, because he's a man?

as well as those who only produce other ova-producing persons, have historically also been oppressed).

I just want to point out Liz, that the ova producers produced by ova producers, who have been aborted on the basis of their ova producing potential, number 126,000,000.

Today, around 126 million women are believed to be "missing" around the world – the result of son preference and gender-biased sex selection, a form of discrimination.

What name shall we give them?

@Calvinsmam
I am a biological woman but I have not gestated. I have a friend who was sadly born without a uterus. She has not gestated. WE are still women.