Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

[glitchliz]

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

But if I posed in my underwear to show off a baseball bat I was apparently selling on Twitter, people would ask me why I wasn’t wearing trousers.

No woman accidentally takes a picture of themselves in their underwear and posts it on the internet.
We are all conditioned to know what that would signify.

For the true fan you can even get an American History X figurine complete with empowering accessory.

Agree Lisa.

A bat?

That's my nope right there.

I argue with people all day, it's my job.

I'm a teacher & I had, today, to tell 2 of my 18yo students to stop being dicks with a short length of chain I'd included as part of a display.

'Yeah, sorry miss! We'll put it back.'

They got it. It's not rocket science.

Being tooled up is not a good look, especially if you're trying to convince unconvinced people if your laydee credentials.

I don’t understand the thing about race being hereditary but Male / female isn’t hereditary.

Sex chromosomes are hereditary.

Foetuses develop differently according to their chromosomes before they even leave the womb.

You’re never going to convince a group of mothers who have gestated and birthed babies that this biology is irrelevant and/or doesn’t need a name.

One example - it’s common for female babies to have small amounts of blood in their nappies after birth. This is not common for Male babies and is a medical concern. Midwives and parents need to have straightforward language available to communicate differences between male and female babies. From birth.

The weight charts are different. Male baby centile averages are different to female baby centile averages.

There is a medical NEED to use this language from birth.

People who have experienced being the primary carer of a baby know this.

I can only see a couple of posts of the twitter thread.
Cant really get over the acceptance of Karen White being a 'woman.'
No empathy, imagination or intelligence.

Oh well. As one of the women who asked for this thread not to be removed so that an actual conversation could ensue, I am disappointed that not only were neither of my questions answered, but a lot of dead ends and open flummery greeted the few question you did answer Liz.

Still, I'm grateful that MNHQ did reinstate the thread, and that you came back, because it is always useful to have a record of someone's behaviour and claims so that onlookers can make up their own minds.

Personally, I have concluded that your initial GF garnered you the juicy screenshot you were after, but MNHQ lanced the boil effectively by reinstating the thread, so you came back and demonstrated that you had no intention of actually engaging, merely doing what a number of other AWA transpeople have done before, a mix of lecturing the women and wasting their time.

I'd like to apologize to the women of FWR, who have spent their time asking questions that were really pretty pointless, for asking for the thread to be kept. Its a shame to note that a chance for something genuinely constructive has just become another reason for me to distrust the good intentions of those who would come here in future.

Also race isn’t hereditary, skin colour and distinct physical features are.

Race is a social construct created to impose a power structure, just as gender is.

Remind me again who needs protecting from who, OP? I'm pretty sure it isn't the GC women making threats. Do you ever call out things like this that was just posted?

Liz's twitter...totally disingenuous.
Well done to whoever Lady Bunbury is btw for calling her out in such a polite and considered manner.

Liz was asked .....Soooo what did you learn, pray tell???
they replied:
apparently that i'm a dude

dozens of questions about my underwear

There were many, many questions about my underwear and also plenty of insinuations that I dress over-the-top femme as some kind of caricature of womanhood, a man's idea of what women look like, then that is demonstrably not the case.

If it's a shame that I didn't feel able to express then and there that elements of the discussion felt disrespectful, then maybe that's something the MN community should address.

honestly, I'm done with indulging GC people.
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You are right Liz, the mask has slipped.
Essentially in the same way you wanted validation for being big brave covert TRA in a GC meeting, you are now playing into the Oh I took on MN and they called me a dude/were far too invested in my pants.
What complete and utter bollocks.

Am I supposed to feel safe sharing intimate space with the individual in that screenshot Liz?

Bluestitch When I saw that I assumed it was something from months ago, it's so extreme. Then I realised it was written just 26 minutes back. Not so unusual, then.

The poster is another autistic computer programmer, too. I work in tech, and it never used to occur to me that many of my more geeky co-workers might actually be women in male bodies. The scales are falling from my eyes.

At least Negan was even handed with his brutal murdering of both men and women with his barbed wire clad baseball bat, Lucille (in The Walking Dead, for non-show watchers)

Thank you Rage, that was me.

I get the impression that Liz feels bitter because Liz thought they were coming here to educate us, and had never considered the notion that learning could be a two-way street, as evidenced by this:

‘And what will you take away from it?

I wanted a dialogue. ...A better question is perhaps what have you folks taken from it?

That’s a better question you see, because never mind what Liz might be able to learn: Liz has nothing to learn; it is us that must learn.

I should know better, but every damn time one of these people turns up, I hope / expect that they can provide a plausible explanation for why women should give up their sex based rights

and they've literally got nothing have they?

No.

Other than I want, I need.

And most telling of all,

I can.

Am I supposed to feel safe sharing intimate space with the individual in that screenshot Liz?

Yes, because Liz can understand how they feel and if Liz understands how they feel then it is ok and how they want to behave is valid and assaulting and murdering women is ok in those circumstances because, you know?.. feelz. And everybody should just accept that.

plenty of insinuations that I dress over-the-top femme as some kind of caricature of womanhood

I honestly didn't pick up on that. There were a lot of questions asked again and again which Liz ignored. But if there was anything about Liz being 'over-the-top femme', I didn't see it and still can't.

It always seems that one cannot identify out of the desire to mansplain.

I wanted a dialogue. ...A better question is perhaps what have you folks taken from it?

Not a lot. It just reaffirmed what I already knew which is that this ideology is about the subordination of females by males ~ meet the new boss, same as the old boss (albeit slightly more proficient at the cat eye make-up thing).

But if there was anything about Liz being 'over-the-top femme', I didn't see it and still can't.

The only picture I've seen Liz was in pants with baseball bat. Hardly "over the top femme"

Then I realised it was written just 26 minutes back. Not so unusual, then

Yep. Just clicked on a random convo that Harrop had retweeted and stumbled across another threat of violence against women. It's mundane really, so commonplace. And standing unchallenged as usual.

I don't think anyone even mentioned Liz's dress choices, did they?

Apart from early on questioning the two tone pants which looked like 2 pairs.

I didn't look that closely, & as far as I'm concerned Liz can wear any combo of pants they like, as can't we all.

This clearly didn't go as Liz hoped.

But I think it is worth reiterating that everyone was entirely civil to Liz throughout.

We are not the people waving baseball bats.

I haven't yet read it all, because it's so fast moving. But I've read the one or two posters who @'ed me. And I completely agree with what you say.

First of all, it's really useful when something like this thread happens. Sunlight is vital. And there's been quite a lot shone on this thread.

It highlights why this is all going so horribly wrong. Why women are objecting. And why scandals are happening.

No, you cannot, seriously, define collective nouns as anyone who says they are that noun.

And no, you cannot claim you don't want to promote violence, when you promote violence.

And no, you cannot tell women they have no right to be scared, because your mates aren't scared of you.

And no, your feelings do not dictate reality.

And last of all.

No.

It's a complete sentence, as any mumsnetter will tell you.

‘Over-the-top femme’?

Really?

Why is it always that trans women think our issue is that they are just too womanly for us?

Datun

waterlego you come across as a genuinely polite respectful decent person, good on you.
Liz's pants were mentioned about 7 times btw and mainly along the lines of why are you in your pants? so 1% of this thread then. and in the retelling 7 constitutes dozens? They were called a man twice and both comments were removed. So yep, a load of bollocks and they have misrepresented and shat on the majority of women on here who were being respectful and who were trying to engage. Fuck that for a game of soldiers.