Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

[glitchliz]

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

But I agree with the rest of your post (just want to make sure we say what Liz said on that score)

I agree with your post lisa, it's not liz's fault. It's the people behind the ideology who've allowed / enabled the blurring of boundaries that's begun to erase women's rights in this particular situation because women are expected to do as they're told.

Liz, I have a question. Do you believe your gender dysphoria can be eased without forcibly overriding womens boundaries and safety?

Sure! That's literally how it's worked so far.

I know it's from ages ago, but slow fucking handclap for this gem

I've never been inconvenienced, so everything is fine! tra la!

Apologies if it's been done but my question is - do you believe Rachel Dolezal IS black, as much as you ARE a woman? If she wrote a hit song, should she be entitled to be considered for a MOBO award because that's where she'd feel 'right'?

Okay, this really deserves to be engaged with. Rachel Dolezal is not black. Racial characteristics are a hereditary trait; gender is not. Her attempt to describe herself as 'transracial' - notwithstanding that 'transracial' already refers to a different situation - is a smack in the face both to black people specifically, people of colour more generally, and the trans community.

Anyway, read this: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/12/comparison-transgender-people-rachel-dolezal for a better explanation than I can give.

Neurotrahs, it was when I started doing those stupid daily updates to say lesbian still means lesbian, and seeing the people who responded. Most were mentally unwell, most could not see beyond their own identity and were clearly lashing out to protect it, vulnerable and dangerous are not the same thing. There has been a massive failure here among the medical profession, legislators, academia, politicians, and I have no wish to argue with someone that their identity is not valid because those institutions have let them think that their psychological device makes all these systems and laws a threat. I think this is a mess. A real mess.

Edit 'vulnerable and dangerous are NOT necessarily different'.

I should know better, but every damn time one of these people turns up, I hope / expect that they can provide a plausible explanation for why women should give up their sex based rights

and they've literally got nothing have they?

that's why it's particularly galling that they got so much traction. why the hell are supposedly serious people (looking at you Maria Miller, Layla Moran et al) giving any time whatsoever to this gibberish?

Gender isn't a hereditary trait, sure.

It's a social construct.

This is how it differs from, for example, sex, which is immutable, & defined at conception.

glitchliz The difference between Dolezal and this, is that race is actually not what sex is. Sex is not mutable, doesnt change, it cant be altered, and Rachel Dolezal did not demand that black people stop discussing inequality they live with, demand that rights black people had won be undermined, and did not demand that the identity of black people be subordinated to her needs. That is what trans activists did. She also didn threaten, intimidate, or drive black people from the public sphere. In fact while she was cearly a sad case, another where there wa sclearly childhood issues, she didnt actually harm anyone or attempt these things. She didnt ask that black people ignore violence, inequality or make themselves vulnerable to it. Although she did take resources and a platform that she wasnt entitled to.

If "gender dysphoria" is real how come there are zero adult heterosexual females 'transitioning' in middle age compared with the number of males who 'transition'?

Racial characteristics and biological sex are hereditary traits - you can change the appearance of some aspects of them (darken skin colour, have breast implants, create a new-vagina) but you cannot change the biological reality f either race or sex.

I am clear on my beliefs and I am firmly set in my camp: women are women, trans women are trans women. I respect you, I would stand up for you, I would fight your corner, I would campaign for you to have safe spaces/health services. I’d willingly stand shoulder to shoulder.

But I will not compromise women by doing so.

This, Liz. I genuinely and from the heart wish you a long, healthy, happy life. I would join you in any campaign to get rights you need that you don't have. I want you and your trans siblings to have a seat at the table. But YOUR OWN seat, not to take the one (and it usually is still just one) that women better and braver than me fought so hard and so long for. We still need it.

...neo-vagina, not new-vagina

Correction: should have asked:

If "gender dysphoria" is real how come there are zero adult heterosexual females 'transitioning' in middle age compared with the number of adult heterosexual males who 'transition' in middle age?

”I want you and your trans siblings to have a seat at the table. But YOUR OWN seat, not to take the one (and it usually is still just one) that women better and braver than me fought so hard and so long for. We still need it.”

This is such a perfect way to express it - thank you, @teawamutu - brilliantly incisive.

If "gender dysphoria" is real how come there are zero adult heterosexual females 'transitioning' in middle age compared with the number of males who 'transition'?

I believe there was one in a newspaper who regretted it as she realised it was due to ptsd from childhood abuse. But yes, not really any transwidowers around.

”I want you and your trans siblings to have a seat at the table. But YOUR OWN seat, not to take the one (and it usually is still just one) that women better and braver than me fought so hard and so long for. We still need it.”

Hear hear 👏

Exactly teawamatu.

Women - not all women, & we don't have to, but lots of ya are kindly disposed & helpful types - will help you build your own seat. We can't give you ours. We're using it.

will help you build your own seat.

We fully back trans rights and the right to be heard, but we don't want it at the expense of woman's right, which is what is currently happening.

Racial characteristics are a hereditary trait; gender is not

Sex is though.
Sex is immutable. if you allow self identity into what should be an immutable category, it can no longer be defined or protected

So what you want will lead to the total removal of all sex based rights and protections.

Us, not ya!

Y'all must be contagious or summat

and they've literally got nothing have they?

No. Apart from "because I want it and I say so".

Y'all must be contagious or summat

That's one question I forgot to ask.

'Why do you keep saying y'all, and can you please stop?'

I can deal with the y'alls, but the wilful ignoring of requests to stop with cis is yer another bad faith flag.

The more I think about this thread, the more I see it as a handy who's who for OPs TRA mates to go after. What a nice little harvest for them.

Obviously that's not possible. I'm all for widening what it means to be a man or a woman, though.

That's not true though, is it? Marilyn, fionne orlander, and Miranda yardley are three examples of people who are widening what it means to be a man. Presenting themselves however they want whilst still accepting they are male. What you're doing by insisting you're just as much a woman as me, is shoring up damaging stereotypes, not dismantling them. You're narrowing the bandwidth to a masculine view of what a woman is.

You can't even articulate what a woman is, because if you do your house of cards tumbles down.