Hi, I'm Liz the Glitch! Ask me anything.

[glitchliz]

The thread I wrote about attending Posie Parker's panel on gender identity and social media has attracted a lot of attention, and I thought it might be good to establish more of a dialogue. Ask me anything!

Also, to get this one out of the way: my babysitting rates are £15/hr, plus flights, and I'll provide a clean CRB check 😂

I’ve not taken anything from it as such. I am clear on my beliefs and I am firmly set in my camp: women are women, trans women are trans women. I respect you, I would stand up for you, I would fight your corner, I would campaign for you to have safe spaces/health services. I’d willingly stand shoulder to shoulder.

But I will not compromise women by doing so. I hope you have some understanding of why?

No, no balls jokes. Didn’t occur to me. See, I don’t think you are a man, I think you are a trans woman, and I respect that.

In fact, the bat is still really worrying me, tbh.

It's been variously & disingenuously, IMO, described as a bit of amusing marketing, empowerment & finally, as home protection.

Look, there's at least one person in my life who gives me good reason to at least consider a 'bat by the bed'.

If I did think this was a helpful strategy, I absolutely wouldn't want him to know about it. Because it'd be no use whatsoever to me without the element of surprise - if he knew I had said hypothetical bat, he'd take it from me very easily & possibly bosh me with it.

So I would not be posting pictures of it in Twitter. I'd be hiding it & hoping I could grab it & swing it before he'd even thought 'fuck, she's got a baseball bat to defend herself with!'

I don't buy any of the bat stuff. Any of it.

Children should be told that if they'd rather be a boy, they can be a boy. If they'd rather be a girl, a girl, or neither or both or something else entirely.

But what does that actually mean? What is boy? What is girl?

So if anyone has anything else they want to say to me, please feel free to send me a DM - if that's a possible thing here? - but I won't be responding to any more messages in the thread.

Thank you for the civil questions, apologies again to anyone who felt threatened by me modeling the bat, and hope this was at least diversionary.

There is little point in making the classic "non-apology" apology. You're not sorry about the picture. "Modelling the bat" is a total nonsense.

You do not support women and girls.

Stop pretending that you do.

If you did you would admit that there is possibility to cause harm in letting any man self id into women’s spaces. But you won’t. Because that would open up a can of work that you don’t have the evidence or moral compass to deal with.

@glitchliz - should lesbians be abused for not wanting to have sex with a trans woman who has a fully functioning penis, and wants to have PIV sex with lesbians?

Why all the talk about strategies to breach the cotton ceiling (or, to give it a more basic definition - to get into lesbians’ knickers)?

Can you understand how disrespectful it is, to see a woman’s right to choose who (and what sort of genitalia) she has sex with as some sort of a barrier to be overcome?

Nah. Not buying what you’re selling.

Good! I too am very concerned about the safety of women and girls - the only difference is, I care about trans women and trans girls, as well as not-trans women and girls.

I care about the safety of men and boys as well as women and girls. As does everyone here. We care about everyone, particularly children. But that wasn't the subject under discussion. Feminism deals with women and girls and this is FWR.

You can eyeroll all you like. Everyone has respected your boundaries. You don't respect ours.

Nice flounce, did you not like the questions?

Yet another TRA who is only interested in trans rights but couldn’t give a crap about women’s rights.

Yes. It's an odd coincidence, no?

A better question is perhaps what have you folks taken from it?

Zilch, really, since nothing new has been said. The questions that so many women really want answers to were still dodged, like they always are.

By the way, you are not a supporter of women's and girl's rights. Nobody who supports the rights of women and girls would advocate for people with penises to be allowed to invade female-only safe spaces, changing facilities, toilets, prisons, hospital wards etc against the wishes of the vast majority of the women those spaces exist for.

And who doesn’t answer the difficult questions. Colour me surprised.

Yet again we never did get the new improved definition of what a woman is.

I'm happy to accept as women anyone who describes themselves as one

That's enough for today.

Liz, here my honest to God take.

Your idea of a woman is what a man imagines. Which, turns out to be stereotypes. Which is understandable.

Feminists, more than anyone, understand what it's like to be treated as a sexist bloke who likes a bit of banter, dirty jokes and let's all go and watch the fucking rugby.

And how society sometimes treats women. High heels, eyebrows on fleek, looking gawj and rocking it sister.

These have nothing to do with biological sex, and even less to do with how society actually treats real women.

Men will, sometimes, give a pass to a fucking hot woman. It's short lived and entirely dependent on her reacting in the way they want.

And you wanting "to be treated like a woman" because it makes you euphoric, tells the world what you think of how women are treated.

And is, quite patently, the opposite of what you think. And more to do with how men view women.

Please, please try and understand. You don't appear to be stupid. Use your brain.

Accept all you like. But would you - hand on heart - accept a woman in a man’s body as a partner?

maybe consider whether or not that perception is based in a real threat or prejudice

Lol. I mean if these people are the types to wander around with baseball bats just for shits and giggles, I'd say that the threat was real, not prejudice.

You can't make this shit up, you really can't.

Apologies if it's been done but my question is - do you believe Rachel Dolezal IS black, as much as you ARE a woman? If she wrote a hit song, should she be entitled to be considered for a MOBO award because that's where she'd feel 'right'?

And if not, why not? Why can society vilify and ridicule her, if at the end of the day all that really matters is how we all describe ourselves?

This isn't intended as a rude question, I just keep coming back to it the more answers I read.

I still don't know if transwomen will permit is to (re)build DV refuges and (re)organise sports teams for Wombles only, provided we yield the word "woman" and women's refuges and sports teams.

Or if the people formerly known as men are also forbidding Womble refuges to the people formerly known as women.

Gosh, well that was enlightening... Not!

I am going to tell you what have taken from it. Have taken from it exactly the same as I took from the twitter nonsense and the build up to this. I think a very small, very vulnerable, occasionally dangerous population have been used, although used maye the wrong word, as a dangerous and vulnerable cudgel by academia, left wing media, and institutions whose inherent misogyny means they can no longer acknowledge women.

I think gender dysphoria is an identity disorder and I think people have been validated in asking for their psychological device to override womens rights, laws, and systems, because a bunch of institutions either dont want to acknowledge these systems or what shapes them or the women who need them.

I think the majority of even the worst trans activists I dealt with online were arguing that their identity and psychological device be sufficient to say no debate, and because of disorder saw any discussion of context as a challenge to that identity.

I think this is largely the responsibility of major institutions and the behaviour of trans activists is disturbing and a reflection of those institutions. I dont know who Liz the Glitch is, I am still worried by the bat, I think this thread was handled well but dot know any of the context, but I dont think there can be a dialogue where the question at stake is someone's identity vs all these laws and systems. I think that that is the expectation says a great deal. I think most trans ideology can be pierced quite easily, and the question is the power it was given and why.

I dont understand why women all over the world are having to argue that the psychological device a small number of people with gender dysphoria use, is sufficient to wipe pout all protections from violence and abuse for women and kids. Except I know exactly why that is happenig.

Datun, Liz later said they'd had severe dysphoria as a child; that some trans people had euphoria rather than dysphoria.

Spot on @Datun

Being a women means tiptoeing around male violence. Being allowed to speak when men give permission. Or most often speaking and not being noticed or given any credence by men.

Until you opinion means nothing and your voice carries no weight and your body is seen as property and your feelings are framed a weakness and your breasts are more often shameful objects of humiliation and your body shape and dress are constantly open to criticism then you will have no idea what it is to live as a woman.

I do wonder if that’s what trans women see as oppression- the actual experience of living as a woman is incredibly disempowering. You’re constantly checking all sides for safety and trying to make your voice heard. This is the everyday frustration of being a woman.